Illegal---Nah.
 

WOW.



http://www.nbcolympics.com/softball/...id=200615.html

The bent knee looks like a replant to me.

Yeppers, this is a no doubter. Note ball still in hand and position of feet.

ASA and other softball insurance groups should get real
 

There is no way that this is a replant. A replant leading to a new effective push off. So, ASA and all of the other insurance company groups who falsely put themselves forward as softball experts should get real with respect to what's OK and what's not for pitchers. It is flat out not acceptable for every single umpire to decide for herself what is legal pitching and not legal. But, this is where we are.

Uh...

...whothephuckareyou, again?

Then are you saying this would be a legal pitch? Look very closely at the
pic. Way in front of rubber, slab, whatever, ball still in hand.

My comment was not about the pitch (legal or illegal).

But speaking of that, how can you determine a pitch legal or illegal by a snapshot from above?

Even given what you said above - when do you expect her to release the ball?

Yes, this is a legal pitch
 

Based on the umpire calls I've seen over the years including ASA Nationals 18A, NSA Nationals 12U, PONY Nationals 12U, this is a legal pitch, no question. Why go from 12 to 18. Because the kid is that good. But, you umpires need to get real. There is absolutely no way that the pitcher in the picture is lllegal. Somewhat about 0.4% of umpires will call this illegal. And on the next identical pitch, they will not call it illegal.

It looks damning, doesn't it ? But, the stop frame doesn't tell you if she replants at this point, or if it is a still frame of her continuing (and, therefore, legal) drag.

Check the video link SRW posts on the question about the "out of box" call; go to 2:10, where Robin Mackin comes in the game. They make her take off her watch and Livestrong, BTW.

In my opinion, it is a borderline (therefore legal) drag, at best; I can see no replant in live speed, even the side view during her warm-up. And, here I am, the guy someone on this board calls the ASA person who imagines replants that don't exist.

Ed had dropped in on us from time to time before. By his previous posts, he seems to be a disgruntled parent/coach who hates ASA. His comments need to be taken in that light - nothing ASA does, says, or is connected to can possibly be good, or even remotely legitimate.

If memory serves, he is from Mike's region of the country, but maybe just a bit farther north up the Eastern Seaboard.

But, I'm going from memory here.

REALLY?:confused:

Big fan of softball
 

Actually, Uncle Ed is a big supporter of girls softball. That's why I suggest that ASA totally messed up on the olympics. Tommy, I think you are as ASA fan, so who do you think screwed up wrt the olympics. I think it's ASA. Easton is a fool, but he is a fool following ASA advise.

Eddie......try spell check please? It makes it easier to argue with you!!

We need to hook up so I can smack you upside the head for that association. :D

Not just spell check- how about logic check and thought flow check? Maybe it's just me but I'm having a heck of a time following his writing and logic with the apparently unrelated jumps, turns and topic changes.

Here're some examples:


Ed's softball world view:

ASA http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/te...smiley-029.gif

PONY http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/en...smiley-002.gif

I'm sure Microsoft is working on those. Problem is, it's likely some 23 year old MIT grad writing the programming.

What happened Ed, got tired of getting your @$$ kicked in ASA so you went trophy hunting in NSA and PONY? Get your butt out here and umpire. Anybody can coach. Let's see if you can umpire.

how can you determine a pitch legal or illegal by a snapshot from above?...

you cant from that pic

friends dont let friends post drunk. (in regards to Ed's posts) ;)

Wait!
Hold up.

Another bent knee was found at the Olympics!

http://www.nbcolympics.com/softball/...id=207098.html

Someone better call Mr. Stanton and let him know.



:rolleyes:

http://www.nbcolympics.com/softball/...id=207098.html

Wrist outside the elbow?

:confused:

Jennie Finch illegal, too?
 

Howdy,

I'm new to this forum, having been informed about it when I was looking for some information about plate shoes.

I've spoken to several senior umpire types, UICs, etc., about the legality of what we're seeing in the picture that started this string. The answers have never been specific or clear. I had sent a photo I saved of Jennie Finch pitching for Arizona which looks very similar to the posted photo. I tried attaching it here for comparison. Although it shows as 39 KB on my computer, I got an error message that it "Exceeds forum quota by 38.7 KB."

Anyhoos, I don't know that there will be any specificity regarding this issue anytime soon. Kinda like the government declaring tobacco an illegal drug.

If anyone knows how I can get the Jennie pic posted, I'd be happy to try again.

Ted

Ted,

Welcome to the board.

I wouldn't lose any sleep of trying to get your picture posted. Most of us have a picture of Jennie.....

The reason is that there are no specific answers is because you really cannot call an IP from a still photo.

Yeah...but mine has nothing to do with softball.

http://sports.popcrunch.com/wp-conte...nnie-finch.jpg

OK, give me a hint.
 

Nice pic, but no, nothing to do with softball.

So give me a hint about how to do that. I tried my pic and got that error message.

Thanx [for tips & pic!],

Ted

He's doing a (ahem) "hotlink" (no kidding, that's what it is called). The pic has to be on a web site somewhere and that website has to not block hotlinking. To hotlink to an image, click on this button: http://forum.officiating.com/images/...nsertimage.gif at the top of the "post reply" box and enter the URL of the image.