Tucking

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Maybe you should look up the definition of "uniform".

Uniform = ASA umpire shorts and black cowboy boots, and a trucker type ASA hat.

Unsporting = black sliding shorts when everyone else is wearing white.

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

What would you like to call it? A team is refusing to follow the prescribe rules under which they agreed to play.

Just would like to know why the "higher ups" decided to put that in the "Emphasis Part" of the rule book which is now the rules supplement under unsporting behavior. Of all the things that happen in a game why that?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

What would you like to call it? A team is refusing to follow the prescribe rules under which they agreed to play.

"Refusing" would imply the player / team was instructed they needed to buy a pair of undies that are of the prescribed color and then taking the field / entering the batter's box anyway without correcting the problem. I'm with Dholloway1962... it seems a bit over the top to consider a uniform infraction grounds for ejection. At most it is grounds for "fix that or you don't play." Ejecting a player for wearing the wrong color underwear sounds very Fed-like. At least ASA has not yet allowed post-game protests on a black sports bra DQ-ing the player and setting aside the results of the game! Some people get anal about the oddest things...

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by Dakota

"Refusing" would imply the player / team was instructed they needed to buy a pair of undies that are of the prescribed color and then taking the field / entering the batter's box anyway without correcting the problem. I'm with Dholloway1962... it seems a bit over the top to consider a uniform infraction grounds for ejection. At most it is grounds for "fix that or you don't play." Ejecting a player for wearing the wrong color underwear sounds very Fed-like. At least ASA has not yet allowed post-game protests on a black sports bra DQ-ing the player and setting aside the results of the game! Some people get anal about the oddest things...

Not you Dakota.

We call by the rules of the association we are working for. We surely don't
want to mix the groups. [example]

ASA allowing 12 players on the line-up, plus subs?
Utilizing last out as CR.
Limiting innings pitched by a pitcher.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

Not you Dakota.

Me? Never!

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

We call by the rules of the association we are working for. ...

I got dinged for allowing F4 to wear a non-uniform head band at a national tournament a couple of years ago. It was hotter'n blazes with temp = humidity and I let it go.

I hate being the fashion police, but I did choose to ignore this infraction for practical reasons. Still, the evaluator didn't like it.

A much simpler solution than hounding players about tucking shirts in is to consider it a component in avoiding the pitch. If the batter does not have the shirt tucked in when it is required to be tucked in, and she gets hit in the shirt by a pitch, then she did not make the effort required to avoid. Simple. And, I don't have to be the arbiter of whether the uniform is being worn as designed.

[Little Jimmy]

What rule set specificly says "tucking uniforms in"? Fed and Utrip speak of wearing uniforms/equipment as designed by the manufacture. Has anyone ever asked the manufactuers how they designed it? I see coaches every game wearing matching polo shirts and some have them out and others have them in ( I know thats not really a "uniform" for this discussion).

I may be wrong but I've always felt this rule was a carry over from the times when most or all womens/youth teams wore the tradtional short sleeve, button up the front shirts that MLB wears. A few teams still do (certainly at the college level) and those should be in. But the times have changed. If the UIC insists then I'll do what they say but otherwise let commen sense be the guide.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Little Jimmy

But the times have changed. If the UIC insists then I'll do what they say but otherwise let commen sense be the guide.

I won't attempt to take credit for the line, but we all know common sense isn't so common. Just read some of these recent threads.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

I won't attempt to take credit for the line, but we all know common sense isn't so common. Just read some of these recent threads.

If common sense was common everyone would have it!

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

If common sense was common everyone would have it!

And we'd probably be out of jobs! Our role thrives on the insanity of players and coaches.

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by Little Jimmy

What rule set specificly says "tucking uniforms in"?

ASA Rules Supplement 49 states an example of unsporting behavior is
A. Uniforms not properly worn, such as jerseys not tucked in...

B. Exposed undergarments of different colors worn by different teammates on same team.

Guess we need to check for exposed bra straps...Lord forbid someone wear a black bra and someone a white bra and the straps show.

[BuggBob]

Originally Posted by Little Jimmy

What rule set specificly says "tucking uniforms in"? Fed and Utrip speak of wearing uniforms/equipment as designed by the manufacture. Has anyone ever asked the manufactuers how they designed it? I see coaches every game wearing matching polo shirts and some have them out and others have them in ( I know thats not really a "uniform" for this discussion).

How did the manufacturer intend the uniform to be worn? Simple look at their catalog.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by BuggBob

How did the manufacturer intend the uniform to be worn? Simple look at their catalog.

Right... like I'm going to do that!

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I got dinged for allowing F4 to wear a non-uniform head band at a national tournament a couple of years ago. It was hotter'n blazes with temp = humidity and I let it go.

I hate being the fashion police, but I did choose to ignore this infraction for practical reasons. Still, the evaluator didn't like it.

Looks to me like reaching for trivia is a compliment to the rest of your game. Like the comment I got about my hands no facing straight forward on a dead ball signal, even with my mask in one hand.

[MichaelVA2000]

Happened earlier this week at the PONY Nationals. R1 at first and stealing on the pitch. I'm the PU and as the inside pitch comes in, the batter twirls to get out of the way and the ball grazes the battter's shirt that was not tucked. I call the ball dead and return R1 to first as I have a dead ball strike.

OC comes out wanting to know why I'm not awarding his batter first base and my response was: Coach, had the batter's shirt been tucked in, the ball would have been able to cross through my zone. In my judgment the pitch is a strike and the ball is dead with R1 returning to the base she occupied at the time of the pitch.

As unhappy as the OC was with the call, he about blew a gasket when I refused to get help from my partner. No further issues developed.