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IRISHMAFIA Sun Jul 13, 2008 08:46am

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Originally Posted by greymule
If you say and signal "strike," everybody knows it's not a caught foul ball. Stealing runners are not likely to see your foul tip signal.

Nor is everyone is going to hear "strike" especially since most of us don't pronounce "strike" on the call, but the coaches can see the foul tip signal and instruct their runners accordingly.

BretMan Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by cpa
Given that a strike call and an out call can look similar, the foul tip signal communicates that the ball is live and that no tag up responsibility exists.

Unless you're the partner I had few weeks ago (a fourth or fifth year guy), who gave the foul tip signal on EVERY nicked ball, whether it was caught by the catcher or not! :eek:

Ugly. And, yes I did mention it to him after the game.

ronald Sun Jul 13, 2008 01:00pm

Not only was the question on the test, it is in the casebook I have from 2002. If you have the 2008 version, it would be interesting to know if it is in that one.

Dholloway1962 Sun Jul 13, 2008 05:57pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
Not so. Any ball that goes sharply and directly from the bat to the catcher's glove/hand(s) and it caught, it is a foul tip. I don't care how many times the ball touches the ground prior to contacting the bat.

Do not confuse this is a D3K that is not hit.


Missed that one in my editing!! Hope I didn't confuse anyone too much.

CecilOne Mon Jul 14, 2008 09:07am

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Originally Posted by greymule
If you say and signal "strike," everybody knows it's not a caught foul ball. Stealing runners are not likely to see your foul tip signal.

Although the mechanics I've been taught say not to verbalize a swinging strike, I agree with "Stealing runners are not likely to see your foul tip signal".

AtlUmpSteve Mon Jul 14, 2008 09:22am

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Originally Posted by CecilOne
Although the mechanics I've been taught say not to verbalize a swinging strike, I agree with "Stealing runners are not likely to see your foul tip signal".

And that's why they have base coaches, to coach and direct the runners.:rolleyes: That may come as a surprise to some of them who think they are there to coach or manage the umpires.:eek: :rolleyes: :D

argodad Tue Jul 15, 2008 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by greymule
the foul tip signal

I don't give any signal or announce anything. A foul tip is simply a strike call.

I admit that you see even some MLB umpires brush the right hand over the back of the left hand to indicate a foul tip, but there's really no reason to do so.

Sure there is ... especially if you have runners. It tells everyone that yes, the bat hit the ball, yes it went sharply and directly to the catcher's glove and was legally caught, and yes, it is a live ball. :cool:

wadeintothem Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:01pm

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Originally Posted by greymule
If you say and signal "strike," everybody knows it's not a caught foul ball. Stealing runners are not likely to see your foul tip signal.

Actually, a reason for it happened this weekend.

Steal was on, I was BU.. foul tip (which I heard), I'm of course moving from B to position to call the banger throw down at 2b.. I watch the play at 2B, but was unsure whether it was a foul tip or foul ball, so I glanced at my partner who signaled foul tip and then I rang the runner up.

It communicates foul tip, as opposed to foul ball... because the bat is heard to hit the ball and it is not always clear what the call is.

scroobs Wed Jul 16, 2008 07:14am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
The proper mechanic is to give the signal anytime a foul tip occurs.

Should we be verballizing this call?

MichaelVA2000 Wed Jul 16, 2008 07:19am

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Originally Posted by scroobs
Should we be verballizing this call?

No.

kcg NC2Ablu Wed Jul 16, 2008 07:56am

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Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000
No.

that answer like your mustache this weekend says ... "I'm approachable"
haha


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