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cpa Sun Jun 29, 2008 07:39pm

Where is this in the umpire manual?
 
Wanted to get your opinion on these mechanics --

14 U -- got called to work some organization on Sunday morning I've never worked for

I'm on the plate and as I'm starting the game I glance down to first and notice my esteemed colleague is walking the line AND TALKING ON HIS CELL PHONE -- he waves at me to continue the game so I oblige him

Couple of pitches later the batter chops the ball and heads toward first -- partner gets his 45 or 60 -- and beautifully whips his cellphone from his right ear -- transfers it to his left hand so he can give the big round house out w/ the right -- then turns around and heads back down the line still talking on the damned phone

Me and the catcher plotted that on the first swinging strike that I was gonna call a ball and she was gonna ask for a check swing appeal but I guess the dude's cell phone powered down before we got the chance

So anybody else got stories of amazingly poor professionalism to share?

MichaelVA2000 Sun Jun 29, 2008 07:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpa
Wanted to get your opinion on these mechanics --

14 U -- got called to work some organization on Sunday morning I've never worked for

I'm on the plate and as I'm starting the game I glance down to first and notice my esteemed colleague is walking the line AND TALKING ON HIS CELL PHONE -- he waves at me to continue the game so I oblige him

Couple of pitches later the batter chops the ball and heads toward first -- partner gets his 45 or 60 -- and beautifully whips his cellphone from his right ear -- transfers it to his left hand so he can give the big round house out w/ the right -- then turns around and heads back down the line still talking on the damned phone

Me and the catcher plotted that on the first swinging strike that I was gonna call a ball and she was gonna ask for a check swing appeal but I guess the dude's cell phone powered down before we got the chance

So anybody else got stories of amazingly poor professionalism to share?

I refer you to thread Shorts and Flip-Flops: http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=45905.

NCASAUmp Sun Jun 29, 2008 08:36pm

I've seen plenty of umpires wearing cell phones on their belts, and it's happening with greater frequency. Now, I'm a rather young umpire, and I'm rather "in" with the tech crowd (running my own servers at home, drooling over the latest Crackberry, etc.). However, my brand new cell phone goes straight into my bag before I start my umpiring duties.

There's nothing that I'm aware of in the ASA book regarding this, but this is just common sense and professionalism. There's nothing in the book that says you can't cartwheel into your positions, either, nor is there anything that says you can't sacrifice live chickens between innings in the appropriate holding position. It shouldn't HAVE to say that.

NYBLUE Sun Jun 29, 2008 09:36pm

I've carried my cell into games in the past for the sole purpose of keeping time on the game. If the game isn't being played under a time limit of any kind, the phone stays in the equip. bag. ALWAYS.

NCASAUmp Sun Jun 29, 2008 09:44pm

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Originally Posted by NYBLUE
I've carried my cell into games in the past for the sole purpose of keeping time on the game. If the game isn't being played under a time limit of any kind, the phone stays in the equip. bag. ALWAYS.

The only times I'd ever carry a phone onto the field are if A) I'm it - there's no field supervisor or scorekeeper to call 911 (and in the case of some injuries, every second counts) or B) Oops, I forgot. In the case of B, I try to find a good time to put it into my bag, or I turn it completely off and keep it in my ball bag.

Then again, my phone isn't exactly cheap, and I don't have insurance on it with my carrier. All efforts are made to keep it off the field.

If you're expected to keep the official time, my advice is to put a cheap watch in your pocket or ball bag. A $5 watch is cheaper than any cell phone out there, and is a heck of a lot easier to replace.

MichaelVA2000 Sun Jun 29, 2008 09:45pm

After an umpire used his cell phone on the field and was clipping it back on his belt a fan screamed: I hope that call was to either 411 or 911 because as an umpire you need a lot of help!

I chuckled for several innings.

Skahtboi Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:33pm

I was once watching a tournament that my DD was playing in where every half inning the umpires would both step outside the gate on the first base side and have a smoke. Extremely unprofessional. Then, in the middle of the third inning, the BU walked up the hill, smoke fuming away, to the bathroom. And when I say walked, I mean took his friggin' time. He got back in time to see the last out of the third made.

NCASAUmp Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:39pm

I've had a partner tell me in the fifth inning of the second of three games that he had to go pick up his wife from the airport (after taking the call in his cell between innings). I had to call game 3 by myself.

He was never scheduled again.

wadeintothem Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:26am

I once heard this story about an umpire that was working with some schmuck of an umpire who talked on his cell while working the base... and the other PU actually plotted with some 14U catcher to sell him down the river.

It was a pretty shoddy unprofessional pair of umpires.

Thats my story.

JEL Mon Jun 30, 2008 08:02am

I've seen a new (college student) umpire stop texting, make a weak out call, then finish texting! but the strangest was the guy who was eating BBQ ribs in between innings at the backstop wall! ribs, stew, slaw, beans and all!

cpa, this was one of those "off-brand" GA leagues, the one that does the "King of the Mountain" and such.

robbie Mon Jun 30, 2008 08:22am

14U Town ball.

Plate ump in flip flops, cut offs, t shirt, baloon protector and a Quarter Pounder at the back stop for between innings enjoyment.

My complaints earned me the UIC job. But now ALL town ball games (8U to 17U) have uniformed registered umps.

archangel Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpa
Wanted to get your opinion on these mechanics --
I'm on the plate and as I'm starting the game I glance down to first and notice my esteemed colleague is walking the line AND TALKING ON HIS CELL PHONE -- he waves at me to continue the game so I oblige him

I'll give my opinion on your mechanics. By starting the game and "obliging" him, you agreed that his cell use was OK. You both are at fault, and both looked bad.
When he waved at you to continue the game, you should've shook your head NO, and waited until he got the message. If it wasnt getting thru, call him in, meet halfway, and inform that the game wont start until.....

jwwashburn Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:54am

:D Is it ok, when doing the bases, to take bites of my Subway sandwich between pitches as long as I keep it in my ball bag during the action?

kcg NC2Ablu Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:02pm

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn
:D Is it ok, when doing the bases, to take bites of my Subway sandwich between pitches as long as I keep it in my ball bag during the action?

as long as you do not herd goats behind second base because they might not get off the field in the one minute between innings and we could have to have obstruction on the goats.... that might be a tough call to sell....;)

MichaelVA2000 Mon Jun 30, 2008 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn
:D Is it ok, when doing the bases, to take bites of my Subway sandwich between pitches as long as I keep it in my ball bag during the action?

That would be a definate yes. If you're chasing that bite with a sip from an adult beverage, make sure when you remove it from your ball bag that the container is covered with a brown paper bag.:D

NCASAUmp Mon Jun 30, 2008 01:56pm

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Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000
That would be a definate yes. If you're chasing that bite with a sip from an adult beverage, make sure when you remove it from your ball bag that the container is covered with a brown paper bag.:D

This is pending approval for all levels.

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kcg NC2Ablu Mon Jun 30, 2008 05:47pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
This is pending approval for all levels.

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/epart...etcustomer.jpg

can we get an ASA logo photoshopped on there?
any body

Chess Ref Mon Jun 30, 2008 06:38pm

I'm plate the other night. Mens SP. We're going into the top of 3 and I glance at my partner who is eating a hotdog. :confused: I call time and let him finish his dog. Apparently one of the kids ran over to the snack shack and got him one. He missed lunch and needed something to tide him over....

MichaelVA2000 Mon Jun 30, 2008 09:15pm

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Originally Posted by Chess Ref
I'm plate the other night. Mens SP. We're going into the top of 3 and I glance at my partner who is eating a hotdog. :confused: I call time and let him finish his dog. Apparently one of the kids ran over to the snack shack and got him one. He missed lunch and needed something to tide him over....

Was your partners name One-way, why didn't he have the kid get one for you?

wadeintothem Mon Jun 30, 2008 09:27pm

That is pretty rude to eat all by himself. Prolly woulda been great to have a hot dog to go with your beer.

NCASAUmp Mon Jun 30, 2008 09:43pm

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Originally Posted by Chess Ref
I'm plate the other night. Mens SP. We're going into the top of 3 and I glance at my partner who is eating a hotdog. :confused: I call time and let him finish his dog. Apparently one of the kids ran over to the snack shack and got him one. He missed lunch and needed something to tide him over....

Bear in mind that the story I'm about to tell is about an umpire whom I hold in high regards. She's professional, knowledgeable, and is normally great for the job. However, there was this one night...

My partner ran a little late (she's an EMT, so I completely understood). Arriving 5 minutes after gametime, to me, is relatively understandable, and her profession is a noble one. I wouldn't hold it against her, especially considering her solid reputation as an umpire. Needless to say, I was behind the plate for the first game, and she took the bases when she arrived.

After the first game was over, she said, "Dave, I'm diabetic, and I need to eat something fast." I told her it was no problem, so she ran to the snack shack and said, "whatcha got that's quick?"

"Hot dog?"

"Perfect!"

"Chili?"

"Sure, why not?"

Second game starts, and I've rotated to the bases. As the third inning was about to start, she gets my attention from across the field...

"Dave... Dave... You've got 3rd."

I gave her a puzzled look.

"You've got third. Hot dog. Hot dog."

I couldn't help but laugh, nod my head and say, "I've got third."

NCASAUmp Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:12pm

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Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu
can we get an ASA logo photoshopped on there?
any body

I'm not a good Photoshopper (though I still say my "Hot Moms" Indicator was pretty darn good), but...

http://sabian.whispers.org/asabeerhelmetcustomer.jpg

I'm never being asked to do another National again...

wadeintothem Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:22pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
I'm not a good Photoshopper (though I still say my "Hot Moms" Indicator was pretty darn good), but...

http://sabian.whispers.org/asabeerhelmetcustomer.jpg

I'm never being asked to do another National again...

I'm pretty bad.. and I still didnt have the guts to do it.

Good for you man. :D

greymule Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:43pm

nor is there anything [in the rule book] that says you can't sacrifice live chickens between innings

Prohibited in the YSISF. However, it is legal to sacrifice goats.

See 9-4-J-1-c and d (exception), as well as RS #46.

kcg NC2Ablu Tue Jul 01, 2008 05:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
I'm not a good Photoshopper (though I still say my "Hot Moms" Indicator was pretty darn good), but...

http://sabian.whispers.org/asabeerhelmetcustomer.jpg

I'm never being asked to do another National again...

HAHAHA thats damn funny:D

Dakota Tue Jul 01, 2008 09:24am

It won't fit under the HSM, so WMB will be asking for an official ruling ... ;)

BretMan Tue Jul 01, 2008 09:58am

Any umpire that openly wears a cell phone on the field is nuts, if for no other reason that it opens him up to an easy "gimme" umpire insult from the fans.

"Hey, Blue! You better check your cell phone!"

Huh?

"I think you have three missed calls!"

greymule Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:07am

"I think you have three missed calls!"

That's a real good one. I wish I had thought of it.

Welpe Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:53am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
This is pending approval for all levels.

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I'm surprised no one else has noticed this...Budwesier and Orange soda? :eek:

jwwashburn Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:52am

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Originally Posted by Welpe
I'm surprised no one else has noticed this...Budwesier and Orange soda? :eek:

Never tried that but, it would HAVE to be better than THIS vile substance!
http://www.ratebeer.com/beerimages/74833.jpg

Joe In Missouri

Skahtboi Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:58am

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn
Never tried that but, it would HAVE to be better than THIS vile substance!
http://www.ratebeer.com/beerimages/74833.jpg

Joe In Missouri

Guys! Its the Budweiser that is vile, not the clamato or the orange soda. Drink real beer! Do your tastebuds a favor.

NCASAUmp Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe
I'm surprised no one else has noticed this...Budwesier and Orange soda? :eek:

Actually, I had noticed it, which is why I felt a little more at ease over putting the logo on it. ASA is not a sponsor of alcohol. :D

MichaelVA2000 Tue Jul 01, 2008 01:51pm

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Originally Posted by jwwashburn
Never tried that but, it would HAVE to be better than THIS vile substance!
http://www.ratebeer.com/beerimages/74833.jpg

Joe In Missouri

What a terrible way to ruin a perfectly good can of Clamato Juice!

Welpe Tue Jul 01, 2008 04:18pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
Actually, I had noticed it, which is why I felt a little more at ease over putting the logo on it. ASA is not a sponsor of alcohol. :D

Ah good point, it probably tastes like watered down orange soda. :rolleyes:

wadeintothem Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:49pm

In order to comply with ASA's new rigid appearance standard regarding the HSM, Easton has stepped up to the plate and provided the new Beer HSM with attachable ASA field hat.

Only $115.00!
Available in Navy or black!

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kcg NC2Ablu Wed Jul 02, 2008 05:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by wadeintothem
In order to comply with ASA's new rigid appearance standard regarding the HSM, Easton has stepped up to the plate and provided the new Beer HSM with attachable ASA field hat.

Only $115.00!
Available in Navy or black!

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9...rhelmetws3.gif

The only problem with that is the beer in the holsters..... cant we get something a little more... Tasty

MichaelVA2000 Wed Jul 02, 2008 07:58am

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Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu
The only problem with that is the beer in the holsters..... cant we get something a little more... Tasty

With ASA game fees and umpire rotation, that pretty much hits the ceiling on quality beer selection.

kcg NC2Ablu Fri Jul 11, 2008 06:17am

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Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000
With ASA game fees and umpire rotation, that pretty much hits the ceiling on quality beer selection.

yeah unless your working for andy (president elect ASA) and that UIC out in SALEM ... then atleast you get a decent fee for a gold qualifer... 35 ..... booo!!!! we got more than that at the PONY PLATINUM (40) we might be able to afford guiness


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