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iowasoftballump Mon Jun 16, 2008 09:11am

High School Pay
 
Ok this isn't about how much do you get paid for HS games but instead about how do you get paid for HS games.

Here in Iowa 4A is the largest class and seems to be the hardest to get paid by. The smaller schools (3A, 2A and 1A) normally have a check waiting for you when you get there, but when is comes to the 4A schools (CIML) it take 3 to 5 weeks to get paid.

I just don't get it. Yes I understand that there is a little bit of a longer paper shuffle in the bigger schools but it should not take 5 weeks to get paid for a softball game.

How do you guys and gals in the other area of the country get paid?

DaveASA/FED Mon Jun 16, 2008 09:29am

Every game but 2 (and sectionals) I had checks there waiting on me. 1 of those games the AD decided to raise the rates to match some other schools in the area so he was reissuing checks for us, got it in the mail 2 days later. and the other one there was a mix up and softball checks went to the track meet. Got that one either the next day or 2 days later. And I umpired a little over 50 HS games mostly 3A to 4A schools.

wadeintothem Mon Jun 16, 2008 09:39am

Usually around every 2 weeks a check comes. Maybe 3. I've never seen 5 weeks.

SRW Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:13am

Our umpire association handles the financials with the schools, and we as umpires only deal with the umpire association for pay. We can request draws once a month (twice if absolutely necessary) If we don't reqquest draws, then the money sits on the books until our two mandatory payouts - August and November.

It's really nice when you get your November check and you have that surge of holiday money to go spend. :)

NCASAUmp Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:18am

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Originally Posted by SRW
Our umpire association handles the financials with the schools, and we as umpires only deal with the umpire association for pay. We can request draws once a month (twice if absolutely necessary) If we don't reqquest draws, then the money sits on the books until our two mandatory payouts - August and November.

It's really nice when you get your November check and you have that surge of holiday money to go spend. :)

So the association gets all the interest? :eek:

I don't think so! Draw, or reach for the sky.

whiskers_ump Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:21am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
So the association gets all the interest? :eek:

I don't think so! Draw, or reach for the sky.

I agree "Its my money and I want it now." :D

SRW Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:27am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
So the association gets all the interest? :eek:

Well, I agree... but in reality, the schools don't send payment to the association until about a month or two into the season (monthly billing)... so technically there's very little cash flow on the association's end right away - no money coming in from the schools regularly. Those of us who "need" the money can ask for it and there's reserve in the association's accounts to cover those few people. But those who don't "need" the money right away, and don't really care about a few bucks of interest usually just let it sit and wait until the mandatory paydates.

NCASAUmp Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:31am

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Originally Posted by SRW
Well, I agree... but in reality, the schools don't send payment to the association until about a month or two into the season (monthly billing)... so technically there's very little cash flow on the association's end right away - no money coming in from the schools regularly. Those of us who "need" the money can ask for it and there's reserve in the association's accounts to cover those few people. But those who don't "need" the money right away, and don't really care about a few bucks of interest usually just let it sit and wait until the mandatory paydates.

Speaking as someone who works for a school district, trust me... The schools can cut a check whenever they need to. Yes, they like to stick to monthly billing, just because it keeps things nice and neat in their books, but arrangements can be made. Trust me. :)

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:35am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
Speaking as someone who works for a school district, trust me... The schools can cut a check whenever they need to. Yes, they like to stick to monthly billing, just because it keeps things nice and neat in their books, but arrangements can be made. Trust me. :)

No, you cannot be trusted with this statement as it is different all around the country. It all depends on any state, county, city, school board, etc. rules, by-laws, etc.

There may also be a difference in fiscal year calendar.

Around here, the schools cut a check at the end of the season which is paid into the association and check are written as funds become available.

3afan Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:38am

I am still waiting on a check from one North TX ISD for a DH on 4/19, and for a playoff game check from another ISD for a game on 5/2

Skahtboi Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:55am

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Originally Posted by whiskers_ump
I agree "Its my money and I want it now." :D

Oh. Great. You have been watching too many cheap lawyer commercials on TV. :(

argodad Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:59am

We keep a carry-over amount in the association account from the end of the season to the beginning of the next. That lets us start paying umpires within two weeks of the new season's beginning. We invoice schools twice per month and they "usually" pay in a timely manner, allowing our cash flow to be pretty much in balance throughout the season.

Skahtboi Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:00am

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Originally Posted by 3afan
I am still waiting on a check from one North TX ISD for a DH on 4/19, and for a playoff game check from another ISD for a game on 5/2

You do realize that UIL requires payment to game officials in 45 days maximum from the date of service, don't you? Have you take the steps through TASO and UIL to report the 4/19 school?? If you take that step, get them on the offending school district, then you will make it so much nicer for the other officials that follow. The reason the ISD's think they can do this is because, for reasons I will never know, people are reluctant to report them.

Skahtboi Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:06am

As the rest of you can surmise, in Texas we get paid by checks being mailed to us from the school districts we service. I received the majority of my checks within a week of the game date this season. All of them were within two weeks. This includes playoffs.

3afan Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:33am

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi
You do realize that UIL requires payment to game officials in 45 days maximum from the date of service, don't you? Have you take the steps through TASO and UIL to report the 4/19 school?? If you take that step, get them on the offending school district, then you will make it so much nicer for the other officials that follow. The reason the ISD's think they can do this is because, for reasons I will never know, people are reluctant to report them.

yes I know ... one ISD had a database problem and its being worked - they owed me for 4 games and I have rcvd $ for 2 of them .... me and my partners dont know about the playoff game, but its being worked, we'll get it eventually

we actually had one coach save up all of her invoices that she rcvd and turned them all in at the end of the season!

MichaelVA2000 Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:20pm

I work for several different associations and receive a check about a month after the last HS games are played. Starting this year, one of the associations has begun using RefPay. My debit card arrived in the mail on Saturday.

whiskers_ump Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi
Oh. Great. You have been watching too many cheap lawyer commercials on TV. :(

Could not resist. How many times do you get to use something you see over
and over on FOX NEWS network.:)

NYBLUE Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:26pm

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Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000
I work for several different associations and receive a check about a month after the last HS games are played. Starting this year, one of the associations has begun using RefPay. My debit card arrived in the mail on Saturday.

I've never heard of RefPay. Can you elaborate on what it is and how it functions? Thanks!

NYBLUE Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:31pm

Here in NY, the individual school districts pay the officials by check through the mail. Most arrive within 2-3 weeks. Some arrive sooner. Private schools are more rapid with payment relative to the public districts. However, there are a few schools who have taken up to 8 weeks or more to send payments out.

Basically, officials complete their vouchers at the game site, the coach signs them at some point and hands them to the AD's office. The AD must sign the form and, in the case with most districts, the payment must be approved at a school board meeting which is convienently held once a month in most districts.

BlitzkriegBob Tue Jun 17, 2008 06:57am

My umpire association pays us every two weeks throughout the season for games we have worked. They give us the option of asking to be paid on a different schedule, as long as it is not a shorter time period. At least one guy asks to be paid at the end of the year in a lump sum, which he uses for a vacation.

When I am doing a game a high school game that I have scheduled myself, every school I have worked at has given me a check in advance. When I am doing travel ball games during the summer, I have always been paid at the end of the game(s).

It's the same for me during the volleyball season. I schedule all my matches myself, and I always get a check before I even walk through the gym doors. I guess I'm pretty lucky!

NM FP Ump Tue Jun 17, 2008 09:50am

Boy, I guess we have it good here in the Land of Enchantment. The schools pay the New Mexico Activities Association before the season even starts. The NMAA pays the respective official's associations. We hand in invoices for the games we officiate at our weekly Monday meetings, and get paid every two weeks. Some officials just keep their invoices until the end of the season and get one check after the season ends.

The larger public schools are the best at paying and the smaller schools have to be reminded, and reminded, and reminded. :mad: The missing paychecks around here are usually for pre-season scrimmage games. I don't know why the schools are delinquent when it comes to scrimmage games. I called 4 scrimmage games in April and was only paid for 2; oh well...

Dakota Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:04am

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Originally Posted by NM FP Ump
...I called 4 scrimmage games in April and was only paid for 2; oh well...

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/mu...smiley-019.gif

We don't get paid for scrimmages at all.

Skahtboi Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:27am

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Originally Posted by Dakota
http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/mu...smiley-019.gif

We don't get paid for scrimmages at all.

Nor do we.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:08pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota
http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/mu...smiley-019.gif

We don't get paid for scrimmages at all.

You should.

KSRef Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:42pm

Sounds like we're really lucky in KS. KSHSAA requires schools to have checks available to officials BEFORE the contest starts.

MichaelVA2000 Tue Jun 17, 2008 01:51pm

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Originally Posted by NYBLUE
I've never heard of RefPay. Can you elaborate on what it is and how it functions? Thanks!

Try this link: http://www.thearbiter.net/groups/fil...icialguide.doc

Andy Tue Jun 17, 2008 02:11pm

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Originally Posted by KSRef
Sounds like we're really lucky in KS. KSHSAA requires schools to have checks available to officials BEFORE the contest starts.

As does AZ.

At best, the AD is looking for us changing in the parking lot, at worst, the home coach has the checks (or cash) waiting for us on the field.

NCASAUmp Tue Jun 17, 2008 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by Andy
As does AZ.

At best, the AD is looking for us changing in the parking lot, at worst, the home coach has the checks (or cash) waiting for us on the field.

Boy, THAT doesn't look suspicious, does it, visiting coach? :eek:

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Tue Jun 17, 2008 03:16pm

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Originally Posted by NYBLUE
Here in NY, the individual school districts pay the officials by check through the mail. Most arrive within 2-3 weeks. Some arrive sooner. Private schools are more rapid with payment relative to the public districts. However, there are a few schools who have taken up to 8 weeks or more to send payments out.

Basically, officials complete their vouchers at the game site, the coach signs them at some point and hands them to the AD's office. The AD must sign the form and, in the case with most districts, the payment must be approved at a school board meeting which is convienently held once a month in most districts.

Maybe in your section of New York, but here in the Hudson Valley, there is a school group called BOCES , which is for all the local schools pooling resources of tech training, supplies and other services...including athletics. They handle all the scheduling of games, and we submit to them (usually electronically) a voucher at the end of each month, with a check about two weeks or so later...

NYBLUE Tue Jun 17, 2008 03:39pm

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Originally Posted by ASA/NYSSOBLUE
Maybe in your section of New York, but here in the Hudson Valley, there is a school group called BOCES , which is for all the local schools pooling resources of tech training, supplies and other services...including athletics. They handle all the scheduling of games, and we submit to them (usually electronically) a voucher at the end of each month, with a check about two weeks or so later...

I'm not surprised. In NY, I beleive each Section has its own contract/agreement with the sports offiicals. All the schools within that Section handle payments in the same manner. Other Sections may or may not do it differently.

JefferMC Wed Jun 18, 2008 03:22pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota
We don't get paid for scrimmages at all.

In SC, the High School League forbids it:

B. In all inter-team scrimmages, the following regulations are to be observed.
...
2. No admission fee shall be charged or monetary collection taken. Exception:
charge for one inter-team scrimmage.
3. No official will be paid a fee for services. Expenses may be paid.

Locally, they use it for training and evaulating umpires.

tayjaid Wed Jun 18, 2008 09:06pm

Here In Michigan, the checks are given to us prior to the game. Usually the AD is there to pay us. Occasionally the coach has the check and just gives it to us when we are checking equipment.


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