ASA Appeals

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Aw, c'mon... what have you REALLY been doing for 19 years?

19 days is more like it, from the basic rules knowledge I have seen displayed thus far.

[DaveASA/FED]

I hesitate to get involved in this, but what the heck....here goes!

You are both right! The original play was a question of a rule interp (touching the colored portion of the base) during a live ball appeal of the runner leaving the base prior to the touch (item 2 in ASA appeals) Now #75 was focusing on the use of the colored portion in his original post, BUT the colored portion was attempting to be used in the act of making a live ball appeal on the runner, so Irish's reference to the appeal is a valid one to enter all rules references (which you so vividly reamed everyone for not doing) reguarding the original play.

[Dakota]

By his own admission, he did not believe the basic play was an appeal play.

Originally Posted by snorman75

I forgot a play on a caught fly on a runner failing to tag is a appeal play.Will not lie, just kept reading. I will not lie being a live ball appeal I do not think of it as one. The play on th runner trying to get back to the base is a live appeal. I have always never seen it as that. Learn something new everyday.

You're right that he was questioning the rule interpretation of the orange base, but the whole deal got off track for two reasons:

1) He got a bee in his bonnet over the "inadequate" reply earlier to his post and came in with both barrels blasting insults and sanctimoneousness, and

2) He continued his stream of insults regarding the rule references dealing with live ball appeals for leaving early on a fly ball.

It is common for coaches to not see the leaving early as an appeal (they see it as a force out sometimes), but an umpire? Insult the board, claim lots of experience, insult the board again and display a lack of basic rule knowledge...

[snorman75]

I have not insulted. I have not called anyoen a idiot, or even worst a coach.

and I did say in another thread, that is is a live ball appeal. I will not lie to you I really never thought of that play as a appeal, more a force. But it is a appeal since there can not be a force on a caught ball.

But to say I have continued to insult and bla bla bla is just wrong. I even apologized for saying there was no appeal. But God do not let any one else to admit they might be wrong.

Dave got it totally right. No one else did, including myself.

[argodad]

Why do I get the mental picture of Mr. Snorman as the umpire who always brings up the "What if" third-world situations in meetings, scores high on tests, but somehow always has problems on the field? Probably not the right picture -- but it's the one I have.

[snorman75]

Originally Posted by argodad

Why do I get the mental picture of Mr. Snorman as the umpire who always brings up the "What if" third-world situations in meetings, scores high on tests, but somehow always has problems on the field? Probably not the right picture -- but it's the one I have.

OK, I admit, I love the "what if", and I do score high, but I have learned to never bring it the field. That is what the ride home, bar and a forum like this.

lol, the ones I get wrong on the test are the ones I read to much into and find some rule no one should never use.

But on the field, if I can get through a game not talking (about a rule) to anyone, maybe my part if something comes up, it is a good game.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by snorman75

OK, I admit, I love the "what if", and I do score high, but I have learned to never bring it the field. That is what the ride home, bar and a forum like this.

lol, the ones I get wrong on the test are the ones I read to much into and find some rule no one should never use.

But on the field, if I can get through a game not talking (about a rule) to anyone, maybe my part if something comes up, it is a good game.

And I had a completely different picture. Based on demonstrated lack of rules knowledge and atrocious spelling, I was (and still am) picturing a 14-year-old trying to pass himself off as an experienced umpire.

As others have already said, mixing up force plays and live-ball appeals is a common mistake for players and coaches. Because of that, it is routinely addressed in first-year clinics.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

I hesitate to get involved in this, but what the heck....here goes!

You are both right! The original play was a question of a rule interp (touching the colored portion of the base) during a live ball appeal of the runner leaving the base prior to the touch (item 2 in ASA appeals) Now #75 was focusing on the use of the colored portion in his original post, BUT the colored portion was attempting to be used in the act of making a live ball appeal on the runner, so Irish's reference to the appeal is a valid one to enter all rules references (which you so vividly reamed everyone for not doing) reguarding the original play.

Why are you, Tom and Larry trying to make sense out of this totally useless thread?

BTW, I think it's time for a thread on homonyms.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Why are you, Tom and Larry trying to make sense out of this totally useless thread?

BTW, I think it's time for a thread on homonyms.

Their weather must be like mine - rain, again, still, whatever.

Instead of homonyms, how 'bout "whore maons"?