Really disapointed in the forum - ASA RULES
OK, fast set up play on a runner at first from foul territory on a caught ball. Defense uses colored section to get the runner. Is this OK?
Then I pissed off forum for not backing up any of the answers with anything but "this is what I think." Some took it as a challenge and did very good, like below. Others, well it is also below. Quote:
I guess I got it right on the field, but for the wrong reason. ASA feels the theory of the rule lets both the runner and the defense use both sections on a tag. I have added the letter at the end. Boys it has been interesting. I knew with a little prodding you all would work on this. Some of you could only insult, interesting. Thanks Quote:
A response like this should tell many of you why new people are not becoming umps, or least not staying with it. We drive people away. If you do not get what I am saying, just ask your assigner. "My name is Kevin Ryan and I am the Supervisor of Umpires for the ASA. Craig Cress sent this to me and asked that I respond to you. Yes you got the call right. Rule 8 Section 2 M 6 and 7 would cover this play. Section 2 M 6 says On ball hit to the outfield with no play on the batter-runner advancing to first base the batter-runner may touch the white or colored portion. Should the batter-runner return to 1B, the runner and the defense can use the white or colored portions. Section 2 M 7 says When tagging up on a fly ball the white or colored portion of the base may be used. In both case we describe that the defense or the offense can use both colors. Regretfully we can not add every scenario of what might happen so we use the theory if the offense can use both colors then the defense can also. We will look at the wording this year to see if we can add a few words to help clarify. Thanks for the question. Kevin Ryan ASA Supervisor of Umpires |
Gee, I'm really disappointed in YOU.
As an ASA umpire, you should keep up with their latest rule changes and interpretations. When the safety base rules were updated in 2006, there were various interpretations issued that explained this exactly as the posters who responded. After the batter-runner has safely reached first base (ie: is no longer a batter-runner), the double base becomes, essentially, one big 15" X 30" base. At that point, "white" or "orange" do not apply. The defense or offense can use either portion of the bag. In short, the answers you got were 100% correct. And if you were keeping up with your sanctioning body's rule changes, you would know that! |
Darn, guess you'll have to mosey away and find a better forum.
I understand. No hard feelings. |
There's always eteamz: http://www.eteamz.com/fastpitch/boar...tch/index.cfm?
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Listen, you did nothing to follow up on our answers, including mine. The answer was simple, and you chose to not ask for clarification. If a coach asks you about a ruling, do you tell him, "rule 8, section 7, article S states that the runner is out if she..."? No, you simply explain the rule in plain English.
You didn't ask us to cite the rule. At best, requesting a citation was implied. So don't get p1ssy with us just because we aren't mind-readers. |
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I have to agree with the others who have basically replied that they are disappointed in you for failing to accurate and succinctly state what you wanted. |
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But, to respond to your challenge, http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/ruinkai/flipa.gif |
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Rule 1. Appeal Play Rule 2.3.H Rule 8.2.M Rule 8.7.F and subsequent effect RS #1 Appeals Clinic Guide Double Base.B.4: After the batter-runner reaches first base, both the batter-runner and fielder can use either color of the base for any defensive or offensive play. Don't get hung up on batter-runner v. runner. The defense may use the enter base for any play on a runner subsequent to the BR reaching 1st base or being retired. Hope that helps. |
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Probably not an umpire, just a parent or coach who thinks his team got hosed, when they didn't and was hoping someone would prove him right, which they didn't.
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What do I think? I think maybe you too have joined the ranks of ucking fidiots. Good luck in your other forum, and don't let the doorknob hit you in the @$$ on the way out. |
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Bah, he's a goner, gentlemen. Let him go. ;)
Or maybe a boner. Yeah. Boner. |
I am disappointed in his grasp of the English Language
Oy vey.
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