3 New Rules Learned This Weekend

[whiskers_ump]

1. It cannot be a foul ball if the 3rd baseman is clearly standing in fair
territory and touches the ball when over foul ground.

2. It is interference when a runner has to dodge the bat left lying on the
ground. Batter hit a shot to center field, burning her and going to fence.
Rounding third, sees HER bat, slows, goes wide around the bat, and is
thrown out at home. Not even a close play.

3. If while trying to run to 1st after D3K runner falls, gets up and heads
towards 1B well out of running lane to fair side. Catcher got the ball back
on bounce, [backstop only 8' from home plate], Attempting to throw the
BR out, hits her about five feet from 1B, single base. Interference cannot
be called because the run fell. [This play got very heated., I don't know
why.]

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

1. It cannot be a foul ball if the 3rd baseman is clearly standing in fair
territory and touches the ball when over foul ground.

2. It is interference when a runner has to dodge the bat left lying on the
ground. Batter hit a shot to center field, burning her and going to fence.
Rounding third, sees HER bat, slows, goes wide around the bat, and is
thrown out at home. Not even a close play.

3. If while trying to run to 1st after D3K runner falls, gets up and heads
towards 1B well out of running lane to fair side. Catcher got the ball back
on bounce, [backstop only 8' from home plate], Attempting to throw the
BR out, hits her about five feet from 1B, single base. Interference cannot
be called because the run fell. [This play got very heated., I don't know
why.]

C'mon....who were the umpires, DwiddleeeeDumb and his brother IamDumber?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Michael, I think you are not seeing the picture. Glen was the umpire; these are rules that the coaches argued.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

1. It cannot be a foul ball if the 3rd baseman is clearly standing in fair
territory and touches the ball when over foul ground.

Oh, come on now. I believe we have covered this many times before. This is one of the very basic rules in the coaches rule book. Also, you are aware that you cannot call it a fair ball when the player is clearly standing in foul territory and touches the ball in fair territory. Also, if the player touches the ball in fair territory, and falls with it into foul territory then drops the ball, it is a foul ball.

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

2. It is interference when a runner has to dodge the bat left lying on the
ground. Batter hit a shot to center field, burning her and going to fence.
Rounding third, sees HER bat, slows, goes wide around the bat, and is
thrown out at home. Not even a close play.

Have you not read the rule on bat obstruction?

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

3. If while trying to run to 1st after D3K runner falls, gets up and heads
towards 1B well out of running lane to fair side. Catcher got the ball back
on bounce, [backstop only 8' from home plate], Attempting to throw the
BR out, hits her about five feet from 1B, single base. Interference cannot
be called because the run fell. [This play got very heated., I don't know
why.]

I believe this is a judgement call.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Michael, I think you are not seeing the picture. Glen was the umpire; these are rules that the coaches argued.

Guess it was not that clear. But Steve is correct. Coaches of 16U teams.

Too embarrased to mention the association.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Oh, come on now. I believe we have covered this many times before. This is one of the very basic rules in the coaches rule book. Also, you are aware that you cannot call it a fair ball when the player is clearly standing in foul territory and touches the ball in fair territory. Also, if the player touches the ball in fair territory, and falls with it into foul territory then drops the ball, it is a foul ball.

Last year, had a coach eject himself who would not let this coaches rule go. He was in my face demanding that I describe for him the exact position of his players feet when she touched the ball... I did not know that position, because I was focussed on the ball (sharp grounder down 3b line), not his fielders feet.

16U A .. ASA.

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Last year, had a coach eject himself who would not let this coaches rule go. He was in my face demanding that I describe for him the exact position of his players feet when she touched the ball... I did not know that position, because I was focussed on the ball (sharp grounder down 3b line), not his fielders feet.

16U A .. ASA.

I'm sure that "in her cleats, coach, but that's irrelevant" would have been accurate, but also inflamatory.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Have you not read the rule on bat obstruction?

Not relevant, the coach wanted bat interference!

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Oh, come on now. I believe we have covered this many times before. This is one of the very basic rules in the coaches rule book. Also, you are aware that you cannot call it a fair ball when the player is clearly standing in foul territory and touches the ball in fair territory. Also, if the player touches the ball in fair territory, and falls with it into foul territory then drops the ball, it is a foul ball.

Hold on now! Are you trying to tell me it is supposed to be "foul player" and not "foul ball"?

Extra winks for Michael

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000

C'mon....who were the umpires, DwiddleeeeDumb and his brother IamDumber?

I think it was some pianist and a guy from the baseball forum.

[bkbjones]

Hey! Double fist pumps for Dave!

Speaking of pianists...

A guy walks into a bar and sees a guy playing the piano...the guy is only a foot high. He goes over to the pianist and asks him how he got to be only a foot high.

The 12-inch tall pianist says, "A hard of hearing genie."

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

Guess it was not that clear. But Steve is correct. Coaches of 16U teams.

Too embarrased to mention the association.

Thanks for the clarification. It never ceases to amaze me what will come out of a coach's mouth.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Oh, come on now. I believe we have covered this many times before. This is one of the very basic rules in the coaches rule book. Also, you are aware that you cannot call it a fair ball when the player is clearly standing in foul territory and touches the ball in fair territory. Also, if the player touches the ball in fair territory, and falls with it into foul territory then drops the ball, it is a foul ball.

And believe it or not, this rule came back to bite me on the butt not once, but twice last night. Working a varsity for two small (literally one horse, well 1A) schools. First one was a hard shot down the third base line, fielder, with one foot in foul territory fields it cleanly in fair territory (not on the line.) I of course, being the dummy umpire that I am, signal fair ball. BR safe on errant throw. After the inning was over, I hear the coach of the then offensive team tell his player, "you got a lucky break on that one. It should have been a foul. She was in foul territory." (Not a word about the wild throw that F5 made!)

Then toward the end of this "epic" match-up, had another shot by the same team down the first base side. F3, with, you guessed it, a foot in foul territory fields the ball on the line and gets the out. This time, same coach as before, comes out to argue. I tried to explain to him that it is not where the fielder is standing, but where the ball is first touched that matters in determining whether it is fair or foul. He will have none of it, and leaves our conversation with the old "you have been getting that wrong all night." (All night? On two calls???)

Anyway, to add to this humor, I hear two dads arguing in the stands behind me. One is taking the approach of "it is where the fielder stands that matters," while the other is taking the correct approach. They get louder and louder, and for a moment I thought that a fight was going to break out between the two of them. Crazy.

[Al]

Originally Posted by JefferMC

I'm sure that "in her cleats, coach, but that's irrelevant" would have been accurate, but also inflamatory.

LOL... Inflamatory maybe, but the first chance I can use that line I'm gonna use it! Then of course explain it's where the ball was when it touched the fielders glove, not where the fielders feet are. Fun at the ole' ball park! ...Al

[CajunNewBlue]

omg.... ok im gullible. I looked up the rule. damn sarcasm.