IRISHMAFIA |
Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:52am |
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Originally Posted by greymule
A foul tip is not a foul ball. It meets none of the 7 criteria under the definition. (And don't even try with "C," which does not refer to a caught ball.) A foul tip is not a foul ball that carries a list of exceptions.
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Now act like you are already in 'Bama and slow down and read what I posted. I specifically noted foul as in not fair. I did not attempt to codify my comment, just making a relation between a ball hit by the bat that qualifies as a foul tip to that of a regular foul ball as it relates to the batter ONLY.
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Everybody knows that a foul tip is treated exactly like a missed pitch, and in no way whatsoever like a foul ball.
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And the results are the same as a foul ball as it refers to the batter. You cannot ignore that the ball did indeed hit the bat. The point of it being a foul tip is, whether we like it or not, the umpire's judgment.
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In fact, there is no requirement that a foul tip enter or be over foul territory at any time. (A batter in the front of the box could nip a ball that goes sharp and direct into the catcher's glove while the glove is over home plate. That is not considered a fly ball caught for an out.)
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Don't remember making any such reference.
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A foul tip is a batted ball. And just like a fly ball the left fielder catches in foul territory, it is not fair, and it is not foul.
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You'll love this. Speaking ASA, by definition, neither a foul tip or a caught fly ball is a "batted ball". A Batted Ball is any pitched ball that hits the bat or is hit by the bat and lands either in fair territory or foul territory. Well, if a ball lands ANYWHERE, it wasn't caught.
In Flight is a term used for any batted, thrown or pitched ball which has not yet touched the ground or some object or person other than a fielder. So, if a batted ball is one that must land, how can it be caught in flight? :confused:
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That is why I maintain that applying the label foul tip to a ball that is not foul is misleading.
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Which brings me back to my original comment. The bat hit the ball. Probably more often than not, the indicator is audible. Everyone hears it, so it cannot just be ignored. There has to be some definition and you cannot call it a "missed tip". And since the ball isn't fair......:rolleyes:
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