Asa 10-3-c

[NCASAUmp]

You know, I've never really understood what this rule was referring to. Can someone give me examples of when/where this rule would apply?

The plate umpire may rectify any situation in which the reversal of an umpire's decision or a delayed call by an umpire places a batter-runner, a runner or the defensive team in jeopardy.

And yes, I did type "ASA" in the title, not "Asa."

[Skahtboi]

Sure. Here is an example that happened just the other night. R1 on second, ball hit to F6 for what would appear to be an easy put out at first. However, F3 pulls her foot, and the field umpire rules the BR out for the third out of the inning. However, R1 continues all the way from second to home. OC asks for appeal that F3 had pulled her foot. PU informs BU that F3 had indeed pulled her foot in order to make the catch. PU rules BR safe.

Now the decision has to be made what to do with R1. This is where 10:3:C comes into play. It is apparent that R1 would have made third, but likely not have made home in a routine play, one where the umpires had not put the defense at a disadvantage by making a late safe call. Therefore, the decision was made to put R1 on third, much to the chagrin of the OC.

And this is just one small example.

[NCASAUmp]

Aha! Light bulb goes on in my head. I now know exactly what you're referring to.

Thanks, Skahtboi. Cold one coming your way, courtesy of me.

[Dakota]

Scott's example is of a reversed call. An example of a late call would be an infield fly call made after the defense has dropped the fly ball and all chaos breaks loose on the bases. The late call may have placed the offense in jeopardy since they are now reacting as if they were forced to advance, when in reality they are not.

[ukumpire]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

OC asks for appeal that F3 had pulled her foot

Damn, I really need to work out how to just highlight the portion I wish to refer to, and not the whole blog, without deleting what I don't want! Or is that the only way? Anyhow:

Would you allow the OC to make an appeal on this? As PU you may trail the BR for a few steps, but with R1 on 2nd, not as far as 'No Runners' so if the BU does not ask me "Spencer, Did he/she Pull the Foot" they is no ways I am going to effectively over rule the BU from an OC appeal, unless it is a real huge 'pulled foot'

Am I wrong?

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by ukumpire

Would you allow the OC to make an appeal on this? As PU you may trail the BR for a few steps, but with R1 on 2nd, not as far as 'No Runners' so if the BU does not ask me "Spencer, Did he/she Pull the Foot" they is no ways I am going to effectively over rule the BU from an OC appeal, unless it is a real huge 'pulled foot'

Spencer,
Unless BU comes to me (PU), I won't let BU have my input about a pulled foot - even if it is a really huge pulled foot.
I also do not trail the B-R more than 6-8 feet - here's why. That is my partner's call. I do not want to put my partner in the position where say the 1B coach does not like my partner's call and says something to the effect of "Well what did the plate ump see, he was in a better position than you were!"

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Steve M

Spencer,
Unless BU comes to me (PU), I won't let BU have my input about a pulled foot - even if it is a really huge pulled foot.
I also do not trail the B-R more than 6-8 feet - here's why. That is my partner's call. I do not want to put my partner in the position where say the 1B coach does not like my partner's call and says something to the effect of "Well what did the plate ump see, he was in a better position than you were!"

If there is a runner on 2B, you shouldn't be trailing the BR at all.

[ukumpire]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

If there is a runner on 2B, you shouldn't be trailing the BR at all.

I agree to both the above statements, that why i queried the OC's appeal.

In ISF (and MLB-GB) we are taught to trail the BR half way to 1st with no Runners on. Only if the BU thinks they might have been a pulled foot would he call "Spence, did you see a pulled foot" I would then reply either No/Yes and he would make the call.

That's as far as I go with a pulled foot, everything else is my P's call, and stuff an appeal As i do most of the time anyhow! But's that another story that happened in Croatia at the European Womens Championship this year

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by ukumpire

Damn, I really need to work out how to just highlight the portion I wish to refer to, and not the whole blog, without deleting what I don't want! Or is that the only way? Anyhow:

Would you allow the OC to make an appeal on this? As PU you may trail the BR for a few steps, but with R1 on 2nd, not as far as 'No Runners' so if the BU does not ask me "Spencer, Did he/she Pull the Foot" they is no ways I am going to effectively over rule the BU from an OC appeal, unless it is a real huge 'pulled foot'

Am I wrong?

Okay. I wrote my OP to be concise, and to get to the point of the original question. The exact chain of events in the scenario I pointed out was that the BU called out, never having seen the pulled foot. OC asked the question of BU, and BU, figuring there was a chance that he may have missed something, came to the PU for help. PU shared what he saw, i.e. the pulled foot, and then BU corrected his call.

There, is that better???

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Thanks, Skahtboi. Cold one coming your way, courtesy of me.

If you're ever in North Texas, I will be sure to take you up on that!!!!

[ukumpire]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Okay. I wrote my OP to be concise, and to get to the point of the original question. The exact chain of events in the scenario I pointed out was that the BU called out, never having seen the pulled foot. OC asked the question of BU, and BU, figuring there was a chance that he may have missed something, came to the PU for help. PU shared what he saw, i.e. the pulled foot, and then BU corrected his call.

There, is that better???

In this case: "I saw what the BU saw - An Out" Damn I only need 42 to get my '1st Frosty'!! joking guys I woild never call an out just to get to the Pub! But I sure as hell am not going to say I saw anything if the OC ask's me.
If my P asks me then I say what I saw, but I would hate my P to come over to me and ask if he missed anything....

[NCASAUmp]

Man, I KNEW this post would get off-track within 24 hours. I just knew it.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Man, I KNEW this post would get off-track within 24 hours. I just knew it.

Well...it has served its purpose now, so why not?