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shipwreck Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:50pm

NFHS question #33
 
True or False
The ball becomes dead immediately when a batted ball, while on or over foul ground, first touches the catcher's glove or hand.
I know how I answered and it was graded as wrong, but I would defend my answer all day long. How would you answer and why? Dave

Dakota Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:54pm

False, because the batted ball could be either a potential foul tip or a fly ball, neither of which are dead until they are not caught.

But, given the way the NFHS writes tests, the "correct" answer is probably True.

MNBlue Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:59pm

False

Softball Rules Book 2007
Rule 5: Dead Ball and Suspension of Play
Section 1: Dead Ball
Article 1


Art. 1... Ball becomes dead immediately when:

d. any batted ball, while on or over foul ground,
1. touches any object other than the ground or any person other than a fielder;
2. goes directly from the bat to the catcher’s protector, mask or person without first touching the catcher’s glove or hand; or
3. becomes an uncaught foul.

shipwreck Fri Aug 24, 2007 01:57pm

I answered true and that was graded wrong. My contention is the question said ON or over foul ground. If the ball is ON foul ground it cannot be a foul tip or caught. Dave

Andy Fri Aug 24, 2007 02:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by shipwreck
I answered true and that was graded wrong. My contention is the question said ON or over foul ground. If the ball is ON foul ground it cannot be a foul tip or caught. Dave

You are correct for that part of the question. However, the question had two parts, only one of which was true. Here is the question broken into its two parts:

1. The ball becomes dead immediately when a batted ball, while on foul ground, first touches the catcher's glove or hand.

2. The ball becomes dead immediately when a batted ball, while over foul ground, first touches the catcher's glove or hand.

Part 1 is True, Part 2 is False. Therfore, the entire question must be false.

This concludes today's lesson.......:)

(didn't we just have a similar discussion earlier this week?)

Dakota Fri Aug 24, 2007 02:48pm

I'm relieved that NFHS actually followed logic this time. They don't always.

shipwreck Fri Aug 24, 2007 07:43pm

It just seems that with all the information the rule book has to offer, they could come up with some straightforward questions instead of a question that can trip you up by stating a half truth. But I guess the rule book states the same thing that the question is asking. I think the rule book could somehow restate that part of the rule. Dave

IRISHMAFIA Fri Aug 24, 2007 09:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy
1. The ball becomes dead immediately when a batted ball, while on foul ground, first touches the catcher's glove or hand.

Not if it is ruled a fair ball.

Batted ball hits a base or lands beyond a base and back-spin brings it back toward the catcher in foul territory.

CecilOne Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:06pm

For True/False tests, not always True means false, even if not always false.

Dakota Sat Aug 25, 2007 01:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CecilOne
For True/False tests, not always True means false, even if not always false.

I agree, but I could show you examples of NFHS tests in the past that did not follow this rule. NFHS tests tend to be taken directly from the wording in a particular rule, where "True" means it agrees with a sentence somewhere in the rule book.

Andy Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
Not if it is ruled a fair ball.

Batted ball hits a base or lands beyond a base and back-spin brings it back toward the catcher in foul territory.

I agree....and I thought of this as one of the possibilities after I posted.

One thing I have learned in 20 years of taking NFHS tests in three different sports: You can usually throw a "what if" into a test question and change the "correct" answer.

I have found that if you take the question at face value without adding anything to it, you are better off.....

The NFHS tests are not so much rules tests as they are reading tests......


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