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Dakota Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:22am

PETA defeats Organized Crime!
 
Anyone else notice that once the Vick dog fighting charges hit the headlines, nobody cares about corrupt NBA officials anymore?

greymule Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:46am

Dakota, you should know by now that animals trump people in the world of what's important. Ten million Africans die of malaria? Gee, that's too bad. Hey, some lady was wearing a mink coat. Let's hold a candlelight vigil!

Question: Why do the activists who make a big deal about wearing fur not do the same about leather?

As far as the NBA goes, I was once a big fan who lived and died with the Knicks. But today, if you gave me a courtside ticket to the playoff finals and the game was across the street, I'd hawk the ticket and return home to watch college softball on TV. Now I was never much of a basketball player, but even the guys I know whose main sport was basketball feel the same way. (They love college BB, though.)

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:23am

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Originally Posted by Dakota
Anyone else notice that once the Vick dog fighting charges hit the headlines, nobody cares about corrupt NBA officials anymore?

Did you notice that one of the indicted copped a plea for cooperation?

Oops! The Falcons might need to start looking for another QB.

azbigdawg Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:34am

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Originally Posted by greymule
Dakota, you should know by now that animals trump people in the world of what's important. Ten million Africans die of malaria? Gee, that's too bad. Hey, some lady was wearing a mink coat. Let's hold a candlelight vigil!

Question: Why do the activists who make a big deal about wearing fur not do the same about leather?

As far as the NBA goes, I was once a big fan who lived and died with the Knicks. But today, if you gave me a courtside ticket to the playoff finals and the game was across the street, I'd hawk the ticket and return home to watch college softball on TV. Now I was never much of a basketball player, but even the guys I know whose main sport was basketball feel the same way. (They love college BB, though.)


I LOVE animals..(partucularly dogs), but I cant agree more with your first paragraph......

NCASAUmp Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:07pm

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Originally Posted by greymule
Dakota, you should know by now that animals trump people in the world of what's important. Ten million Africans die of malaria? Gee, that's too bad. Hey, some lady was wearing a mink coat. Let's hold a candlelight vigil!

Question: Why do the activists who make a big deal about wearing fur not do the same about leather?


Don't know, don't care. Even if PETA eventually gets its nipples in a twist over leather (and you know they will), I'll continue to wear my black leather jacket, hippies be damned. :cool:

greymule Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:11pm

I LOVE animals..(partucularly dogs)

I'm a dog lover myself, and certainly don't like what Vick was into. If my dog got run over by a car, I'd be devastated. Even a dog that wasn't mine, I'd feel bad. On the other hand, when I read that a couple of gang bangers got blown away in yet another Trenton drive-by, I don't lose a wink of sleep.

I'm not saying that's right, but it's the truth.

Dakota Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by greymule
Dakota, you should know by now that animals trump people in the world of what's important. Ten million Africans die of malaria? Gee, that's too bad. Hey, some lady was wearing a mink coat. Let's hold a candlelight vigil!...

There are so many domestic abusers starting in the NFL you lose track of it, yet, that great humanitarian Drew Carey said (on one of the late night talk shows - Letterman, I think) that if Vick plays in the NFL this year, he won't watch a single NFL game. Much audience applause followed.

Cruelty to dogs is more outrageous than wife/girlfriend beating to people with this PETA mindset and to the lemmings in the public who follow along.

BretMan Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:48pm

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Originally Posted by azbigdawg
I LOVE animals..

Thought for sure that he next line was going to be...

Especially medium-rare with a side order of fries! ;)

NDblue Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:16am

I'm a member of the other "PETA". People for the Eating of Tasty Animals. :D I remember a few years ago, the other PETA were protesting something or other on the state capital lawn and the members of the North Dakota Beef Growers Association were there grilling hamburgers and handing them out to anyone that wanted one. It was one of the funniest things I have ever witnesses.

bkbjones Tue Jul 31, 2007 03:56am

If I kick my dog because it quits barking on pitches I think are strikes, does that mean I'm going to be Mr. Vick's cellmate?:eek:

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jul 31, 2007 06:23am

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Originally Posted by bkbjones
If I kick my dog because it quits barking on pitches I think are strikes, does that mean I'm going to be Mr. Vick's cellmate?:eek:

If you need the dog with you to umpire, how would you know the dog was wrong? :D

NCASAUmp Tue Jul 31, 2007 07:02am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
If you need the dog with you to umpire, how would you know the dog was wrong? :D

Maybe it's a seeing-eye dog. ;)

CelticNHBlue Tue Jul 31, 2007 07:03am

There's a battle brewin'
 
Two of my favorite groups are about to step into the ring and go head to head:

NAACP v PETA

This could get interesting. Some questions:

If some of the dogs that Vick allegedly abused/killed were black, will the NAACP back down in their defense of Vick?

Will PETA ask for the death penalty? Equal treatment to Vick in retribution for his treatment of the animals? Or just throw blood on him in the public square?

If Vick turns out to be a vegetarian, will PETA turn the other cheek?

How long before the NAACP blames The Man for Vick's actions?

How much of my tax dollar will support each side in this pathetic endeavor?

I would also like to extend a welcome to anyone who would like to join an association of which I am proud to be a memeber; POOP :D . That's right, People Offended by Offended People. Since I am sure that someone will take offense to something regarding this post or at least something in regards to this topic, I will pre-emptively take offense to your offense taking.

greymule Tue Jul 31, 2007 08:43am

If you need the dog with you to umpire, how would you know the dog was wrong?

In my one-man FP games, I often tether my Yorkie to the chain link fence behind 1B. He's very friendly, and the park is full of kids who play with him and take him for walks.

But when somebody asks to "appeal" a checked swing, I simply point to Hux ask, "Did she go?" If he barks, the batter offered. No bark means the batter held up. Never had an argument.

Hux is not as useful for rule interpretations, though.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:12pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
Maybe it's a seeing-eye dog. ;)

Well, that is sort of my point.:cool:

NCASAUmp Tue Jul 31, 2007 01:18pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
Well, that is sort of my point.:cool:

Gotta work on your delivery, Mike. ;)

Chess Ref Tue Jul 31, 2007 02:05pm

Lunatic Middle
 
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Originally Posted by Dakota
Cruelty to dogs is more outrageous than wife/girlfriend beating to people with this PETA mindset and to the lemmings in the public who follow along.

Okay. If only life was so black and white. I don't have the Peta mindset and I am not a public lemming. But I can admit to what Greymule said. My dogs give me endless and unconditional love, bad day on the diamond, no worrys I come home and there are 3 hairy furballs to love me right out of it.....If it came down to saving my neighbors life or my dogs life I of course I would save my neighbors life so there may be some middle ground between PETA and other things.

What is the problem with PETA, they are like everybody else. Some inconsistencies in their beliefs,leather i.e., but they have some points that i consider worth looking at.....If they were politicans they would be a PAC but there not so they are considered lunatic fringe....

On the lemming issue I love dogs , more than most humans, yet still consider myself an independent thinker. i was in the 12 % who originally said attacking Iraq maybe not such a good idea.........coming from a pro military and pro play the game background .

I have been looking for an excuse to take back for fall Sundays for awhile and know I got it.....

Dakota Tue Jul 31, 2007 03:02pm

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Originally Posted by Chess Ref
I have been looking for an excuse to take back for fall Sundays for awhile and know I got it.....

From this I guess that physical cruelty to / beatings of human beings was not sufficient justification, but dog fighting is. Thanks for making my point, your protestations of not having a PETA mindset or being a lemming notwithstanding.

I have a couple of dogs, and I care for them deeply, but if I had to choose between rescuing a human being from a building fire and letting my dog die, the choice would not even be close, even if it was a person I personally did not like.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jul 31, 2007 04:15pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
Gotta work on your delivery, Mike. ;)

Or be more selective in my audience :eek:

NCASAUmp Tue Jul 31, 2007 05:21pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
Or be more selective in my audience :eek:

Doh!

Anyway, it's amazing the relationship that dogs and humans share. While I'm no religious or spiritual person, almost bordering on atheist, I find that it was almost as though humans and dogs were destined to be friends with each other. As such, I find it deplorable that anyone would even consider dogfighting an acceptable activity.

The reason I think this story hits a little harder than the NBA scandal is actually twofold. Dogs have always been viewed as sort of the "innocent victims" in this whole ordeal, and an innocent victim story always tugs at the heartstrings a little harder than other stories. Secondly, while I personally have nothing against gambling and think it should be legalized in all states, there are those who disagree. For them, the victims who are focused upon the most in the NBA referee scandal are the gamblers, and gambling is still looked upon as some sort of scourge upon society (at least, it most certainly as looked upon as such down here in NC).

As a result, more heartstrings will be tugged upon by an innocent victim crime allegedly committed by a high profile NFL player who is entrusted by the public with his ridiculously huge salary than some referee fudging a few scores, screwing over the "evil gamblers."

However, to be fair, let's keep in mind that one, all-important word in our society: allegedly. While it seems highly probable that Vick is going to be convicted in this matter, he still deserves his day in court, no matter how despicable the crime.

greymule Tue Jul 31, 2007 07:01pm

humans and dogs were destined to be friends with each other

The origin of dogs contains some mysteries, but they were probably bred within the past 15,000 years from the few wild canines—wolves—that were tame enough to hang around people and accept scraps of meat. The various breeds of dog were further bred for certain characteristics. (This has nothing to do with evolution. Dogs are not "evolved" wolves. In the wild, dogs and wolves would mate and produce fertile offspring, and the recognizable breeds of dog that we know would soon disappear.)

Recently a guy bred some wild foxes, choosing in each generation the calmest and friendliest of the litters, and after a few generations he hit the "tipping" point and was clearly producing dogs, not foxes.

If stray dogs run wild, they will revert to their instincts and form a pack. They can then be extremely dangerous. The pit bulls and Rottweilers that Vick and his friends bet on were of course bred for their fighting characteristics, the pit bulls specifically for fighting other dogs, the Rottweilers (I think) for characteristics that would be useful in the military.

As for PETA, they think that chicken farming is morally no different from gassing Jews, and their spokespeople have said as much on several occasions ("no moral difference between Frank Perdue and Heinrich Himmler"). Ingrid Newkirk, a cofounder of PETA, said, "A rat is a dog is a boy." She also said she hopes that foot-in-mouth disease or mad cow disease or whatever spreads to humans to teach us all a lesson for eating animals.

PETA activists once prevented a clothing store from putting out ant traps. (They did this by getting to the airhead woman who had inherited a controlling interest in the shopping mall that housed the store.) According to PETA, the store could move the ants to somewhere else, but not "murder" them.

Maybe PETA activists go after fur instead of leather because it's more fun to harass rich women than it is biker gangs.

Not too far from me lives a screwball who must be in the Animal Rights Hall of Fame. He says that even if we could cure cancer by killing one rat, it would be "speciesist" to do so. He also recommends that people have sex with animals, that "love" between a human and an animal would be healthy for both. He thinks that parents who find caring for a disabled child too difficult should be allowed to kill their child up to one year of age. He teaches ethics at Princeton University for several hundred thousand dollars a year. So if you're thinking of dropping $40,000+ a year for your kid to be Ivy League . . .

bkbjones Wed Aug 01, 2007 01:41am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
Doh!

However, to be fair, let's keep in mind that one, all-important word in our society: allegedly. While it seems highly probable that Vick is going to be convicted in this matter, he still deserves his day in court, no matter how despicable the crime.

so you're saying, if the dog won't sit, we must acquit? Heaven help us all.

IRISHMAFIA Wed Aug 01, 2007 06:25am

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Originally Posted by bkbjones
so you're saying, if the dog won't sit, we must acquit? Heaven help us all.

Now, that's weak!

Stop trying to force the humor, it comes often enough :D

NCASAUmp Wed Aug 01, 2007 07:19am

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Originally Posted by bkbjones
so you're saying, if the dog won't sit, we must acquit? Heaven help us all.

Not at all! I just believe every man has his day in court. After that, fry the f***er. :cool:


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