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It looks like I am in the minority, but I think the call was correct. I recorded the game and watched it several times. The ball was in the circle and the runner stood for two full seconds before moving toward the base. I don’t know about ISF but in ASA ISA and FED, the rule states the runner must be moving immediately when the ball is returned to the circle. I give the runner about two seconds and it appeared the Umpire making the call did the same. There is no mention of how far the runner is off the base. As far as ending the game this way it was unfortunate, however, if you will call it in the first inning you should call it in the final inning. The call earlier in the game when the runner was called out for leaving early at first base was more border line than this one.
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Like a lot of rules you can apply them as in the rule book or rule them as the INTENT the rule was written .
This is one of them . The intent is to stop the cat and mouse between pitcher and runner , in this case it was not happening , the runner was returning to the base . A classic example is if you rule a batter out for bunting on the 3rd strike . Follow your definitions and see what you come up with and there are many more . This was a bad call and as worse than the one last year when the Australian runner was ruled out for removing her helmet on base when there was no play . Umpires should not get into the game this way , there was just no need . |
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i saw it for the first time today - i thought it was way too quick for a LBR violation
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I don't have benefit of a recording to go frame-by-frame; the only video I've seen is the low-resolution long distance shot on the ESPN site, so it is hard to tell what the runner is doing between the time the ball is back in the circle and the runner makes her first obvious move (obvious on the video). But, the time between those two is 1+ seconds by my estimate. That is a quick LBR call, but not out of line.
Maybe the real perception problem is the PU waited another second or two to actually make the call, and by then the runner was moving. |
You are correct this is the intent of the rule is to stop the cat and mouse between pitcher and runner. But you say in this case it was not happening. I don't know I can't read the runner's mind. The runner was standing there, Cat was not having anything to do with it turned and walked into the circle. The runner was returning to the base but not until standing still for two second after the ball was inside the circle.
The rule book states the runner must move immediately, This puts the judgment on the umpire. I feel two seconds is time enough to find the ball and start moving back or forward to a base. Your judgment may be three seconds, or maybe five or maybe stand there until you decided the runner is playing cat and mouse. If that is your judgment that is fine. I just don't call it that way. |
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I went back and watched it again and I don't see it - she's clearly retreating to the base when the PU calls her out. Wrong call - period.
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Tom, I agree. I think part of the issue was the umpire's position. She was in a position that did not allow her to see both pitcher and runner at the same time. In her explanation to the coach, the umpire supposedly noted she looked at one then the other (pitcher and runner) and then again and made the call.
From our angle, and that of the cameras, we can all sit at our computer and judge, but none of us can say we would do anything different if it were us on the field. To do so would be very presumptuous. |
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My rule book says immediately. Many officials will give a silent count of "one thousand one..." but that is not cast in stone. |
I called a look back rule violation to end a state tournament several years ago. I saw it and I called it. Any umpire that calls a game should just call the game. I did not think "Wow this will end the game". No TV though, but I did get followed to my car.
Was anyone who posted here at the game? What happened off camera? |
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