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A BOO from the ASA Adv. FP Camp
A good one for discussion. Seemed easy to me, but not to others.
Speaking ASA: B1 is supposed to bat, but B2 bats and gets a single. B1 then comes to bat and takes strike 1. DEF appeals BOO. What next? Any outs, who bats, what count, etc.? |
Put B3 in the box with a 0-1 count, no additional outs.
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Response from coach, not-ref
If I get this wrong feel free to make fun of old coach...
Let's see... ...if the BOO is corrected while wrong batter is still at bat, rule is designed such that offensive team will correct their mistake w/o penalty... ...if error is caught after this batter finishes at bat, but before next batter takes a legal pitch, rule is designed to punish offensive team (tsk, tsk) and reward defense... ...if mistake is caught after original BOO, AND after a legal pitch is delivered to next batter, then rule is designed to neither reward nor punsih either team...this is the OP...so my answer is that nothing happens, game continues as is. |
Once the defense delivers a pitch (legal or illegal) to B1 (after B2 has already batted), B1 has simply missed their turn, and the defense missed their chance for appealing a BOO. It is then assumed that B2 batted legally. The next batter should be B3. B1 is now the one BOO. B3 simply assumes the one strike count. No outs.
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Important to know who defense is appealing for batting out of order
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One cannot assume that that is who they are appealing , you have to know who or what the team is appealing .
Not being smart here . It IS important |
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However, my statement in that post is incorrect when speaking about BOO in general. I realized it as soon as I was 100' from my desk. I was thinking specifically about the OP, which is why I'd phrased it the way I did. If the defense appealed it before a pitch was delivered, then that's different subsection. |
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If the defenses is appealing B2 in batting out of order the appeal would be denied. The defense could then appeal B1. |
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Thats fine NCASA Blue if you want to do it that way .
But appeals have to be specific . Coach " the runner missed the base " Your way of thinking you would give an out . In this scenario B2 was the first to bat out of order and more than likely that is what a coach would concentrate on . Again , not being picky but any appeal must be specific , you have to know exactly what who when where why . |
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I won't give away exactly what happened to the coach ("why, yes, they did bat out of order. Oh, you're appealing the wrong one. You need to appeal the other one."), but I will allow the coach to go through the motions of making the appeal (showing me the batting order, who was missed). Eventually, the coach will get it right. Most of the time, the coach only knows that they batted out of order. It is, in my opinion, allowable to say, "coach, once the defense pitches to the next batter, B2's at bat is legal." His next question is inevitably going to be, "well, who would that be?" My response: "the batter that follows B2 in the line-up." At that point, the lightbulb should go off in the coach's head that B1 is now batting in B3's spot. That's all the leading I will give him, and that's all the leading I'm referring to. Beyond that, words are being typed into my keyboard for me. ;) Edited to correct some of my statements in this post. |
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Debeau is right - are they appealing that B2 batted out of order? If so, denied, let's play. Note that they have not yet lost their chance to appeal B1 batting out of order if the offense doesn't fix it. If they are appealing B1, then putting B3 in the box is the answer. I will partially agree with you though. If coach mentions both batters when he's coming in, deny the appeal on B2 (and explain if necessary) batting out of order and enforce the other one. |
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