Obstruction/Interference/Nothing

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

In MY case.....I'm LIKELY to DISREGARD the contact.....unless I have OBS.

Isn't this obstruction already? The fielder (and, thankfully, the runner!) does not have the ball, and they hindered the runner coming into 3rd.

Originally Posted by NC_BLUE

I'm likely NOT going to acknowledge I even SAW the contact at 3B

Well, if you see it, it should be signaled (which is acknowledging it). I say that not acknowledging it (even if relatively unnecessary) can give the perception of lazy umpiring. Perception, of course, does not always accurately reflect reality, so take that not as an accusation.

[NC_Blue]

Where, exactly, did you say the F5 was standing (duh?)?

I'll protect the R2.

If you're gonna quote me.....quote ALL of me

Tongue in cheek. I'LL PROTECT R2

And yes.....my arm's up. I'm not CALLING anything until I have to, though.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

If you're gonna quote me.....quote ALL of me

Tongue in cheek. I'LL PROTECT R2

And yes.....my arm's up. I'm not CALLING anything until I have to, though.

"Calling" something doesn't require anything verbal. If you SIGNALLED obstruction, then you CALLED obstruction. If you're not "calling" anything, 99% of the readers here will take you to mean that you aren't RULING anything (which also means you aren't SIGNALLING anything).

Plus ... saying "unless I rule obstruction" is quite confusing right after the statment that you'll protect the runner. You DO rule (call! ) obstruction (and signal) on this play, just in case something else develops.

[NC_Blue]

Plus ... saying "unless I rule obstruction" is quite confusing right after the statment that you'll protect the runner. You DO rule (call! ) obstruction (and signal) on this play, just in case something else develops.

OK...(geesh )

So I'm not VERBALIZING anything......until it's NECESSARY (but you already knew that, ......right?).

Explain which part you didn't really understand. Or......if my arm's up......(and by your own admission)....haven't I made the call (albeit non-verbally)?

Sometimes I think some of you understand FULLY what the poster is trying to say......but would rather pick nits.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

OK...(geesh )

So I'm not VERBALIZING anything......until it's NECESSARY (but you already knew that, ......right?).

Explain which part you didn't really understand. Or......if my arm's up......(and by your own admission)....haven't I made the call (albeit non-verbally)?

Sometimes I think some of you understand FULLY what the poster is trying to say......but would rather pick nits.

I understand you 100%, NC_Blue. I think some nit picking, while annoying, is beneficial. It's just to make sure that someone who *doesn't* know any better won't read what we say and take it in the wrong direction. We aren't a sanctioning body, but to some, our words may carry as much weight.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

OK...(geesh )

So I'm not VERBALIZING anything......until it's NECESSARY (but you already knew that, ......right?).

Explain which part you didn't really understand. Or......if my arm's up......(and by your own admission)....haven't I made the call (albeit non-verbally)?

Sometimes I think some of you understand FULLY what the poster is trying to say......but would rather pick nits.

Didn't mean to be picking nits, really. For me, it was this: "I'm LIKELY to DISREGARD the contact.....unless I have OBS" that bothered me. "unless you have OBS" --- it IS obstruction. A newbie reading what you posted might misunderstand the rule based on what you said there. I would hope that ANY new umpire would not "disregard the contact" on a play like this. It may turn out to be nothing to verbalize or award ... but I hope no one actually disregards it. Again - not picking nits.

[NC_Blue]

It may turn out to be nothing to verbalize or award

Guys...I see your points.....I really do......

But....above is what I meant by...."unless I have obstruction". I meant....(and I shoud have said)....Unless I "VERBALIZE" OBS.

Otherwise.....I'm "calling" (i.e. VERBALIZING) nothing.

Nit picked......point taken

[CecilOne]

I think I followed mosty of this ,but I have an objection and you can decide if it's a nit. The extended arm signal is DDB and one possibility for DDB is OBS, but not necessarily. You have not actually called OBS without the verbal part. The optional part is the award, not the call.