A bad sitiuation

MNBlue · #1 (**permalink**) Mon May 14, 2007, 07:42am

I don't see it as a bad judgement call, I see it as a kicked ruling. She clearly called the batter out when, in fact, she wasn't out. That is correctable.

blueump · #2 (**permalink**) Mon May 14, 2007, 07:48am

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Originally Posted by MNBlue

I don't see it as a bad judgement call, I see it as a kicked ruling. She clearly called the batter out when, in fact, she wasn't out. That is correctable.

You can't have a do-over. You can't simply award the BR first base. You've clearly taken the advantage away from the defense by declaring her out...they have no need to tag her.

This is NOT a correctable situation! You've killed the play when you called her out. Its the same as if you called a fair ball foul. Doesn't matter where is really was, you called it foul, the play is DEAD!

MNBlue · #3 (**permalink**) Mon May 14, 2007, 07:56am

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Originally Posted by blueump

You can't have a do-over. You can't simply award the BR first base. You've clearly taken the advantage away from the defense by declaring her out...they have no need to tag her.

This is NOT a correctable situation! You've killed the play when you called her out. Its the same as if you called a fair ball foul. Doesn't matter where is really was, you called it foul, the play is DEAD!

I disagree. It wasn't the same as miss judging fair/foul. PU called the batter out when she had the right to advance. PU took away the batter's right to advance. BR knew better, she kept going. Defense should have kept playing as well. Put the BR on first and continue the game.

blueump · #4 (**permalink**) Mon May 14, 2007, 08:01am

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Originally Posted by MNBlue

PU took away the batter's right to advance.

Took away the defense's right to make the play as well. Why reward the offense?

MNBlue · #5 (**permalink**) Mon May 14, 2007, 08:04am

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Originally Posted by blueump

Took away the defense's right to make the play as well. Why reward the offense?

Got to fix it somehow. BR was the only one who did what she was suppose to do by running to first. PU made a mistake by calling her out. Defense made a mistake by not making a play on the BR when they should have known they had to make a play. Why penalize the only person who did what was suppose to be done?

tribefan1952 · #6 (**permalink**) Mon May 14, 2007, 10:11am

Good discussion. Thanks again for your comments. I might discreetly mention it to our rules interpreter at our upcoming banquet. I'll post whatever he has to say about it.

I checked with the pitcher's father again this morning to verify that the batter had immediately run to 1st base. (I agree that there wouldn't be much to discuss here if she had waited until all the handshakes were completed and bats were put away...) He verified that the batter had ignored the ump's call and had run immediately to 1st.

I can see both sides of this argument.

mcrowder · #7 (**permalink**) Mon May 14, 2007, 01:01pm

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Originally Posted by tribefan1952

Good discussion. Thanks again for your comments. I might discreetly mention it to our rules interpreter at our upcoming banquet. I'll post whatever he has to say about it.

I checked with the pitcher's father again this morning to verify that the batter had immediately run to 1st base. (I agree that there wouldn't be much to discuss here if she had waited until all the handshakes were completed and bats were put away...) He verified that the batter had ignored the ump's call and had run immediately to 1st.

I can see both sides of this argument.

I'm curious ... what is the defense's "side" of this argument? I can't see any justification there. They didn't get the batter out.