10U-B and OBS

wadeintothem · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 08:02pm

You were absolutely correct in signaling OBS because she could be put out if attempting 3B.

The base you would have awarded is the base should would have attained had their been no OBS/no out, which is not 3B, its 2B (because you would have put her back to 2B had she been safe @3B).

You handled it correctly.

AtlUmpSteve · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 08:19pm

What about 8-4.G(5), awarded bases apply to all runners? If you are prepared to award her 3rd on the obstruction, doesn't that apply? I'm not sure; just asking. I can also see ignoring the obstruction, as you did; similar to the obstructed BR on a fly out.

Speaking championship play only; in any other setting, opening that can of worms is certainly not worth it.

wadeintothem · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 08:29pm

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

What about 8-4.G(5), awarded bases apply to all runners? If you are prepared to award her 3rd on the obstruction, doesn't that apply? I'm not sure; just asking. I can also see ignoring the obstruction, as you did; similar to the obstructed BR on a fly out.

Speaking championship play only; in any other setting, opening that can of worms is certainly not worth it.

The way I see it, you award the base she would have attained had there been no obstruction. That base is 2B. The protection is in place because if the R attempts a base beyond which they are entitled they can be put out (hence the proper OBS signal). I think it would be a reach outside the scope of 10UB to award them an extra base that they would not have attained had their been no OBS and they were safe @3B.

IE, that would be a punitive award of 3B.

IRISHMAFIA · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 16, 2007, 10:56pm

If the runner isn't entitled to advance to 3B, how can she be impeded?

I agree, the signal is the correct move. Maybe not on this play, but it would be possible for the runner to be put out due to the OBS and to that, the runner should be protected.

I believe that "awarded bases will apply to all runners" refers to overthrows, blocked balls, etc. situations. OBS is not meant to award bases undeserved or unavailable.

SRW · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 18, 2007, 01:42am

Let's take this play one step further in make-believe land.

Same scenario, OBS. However, instead of returning to 2B, she goes to 3B... and is:

a. Safe at 3B.
b. Put out at 3B.

Either scenario, your judgement is that she would have attained 3B had there been no OBS.

I think my answer is the same for both: Dead ball, return to 2B. Y'all got the same thing?

mcrowder · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 18, 2007, 07:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRW

Let's take this play one step further in make-believe land.

Same scenario, OBS. However, instead of returning to 2B, she goes to 3B... and is:

a. Safe at 3B.
b. Put out at 3B.

Either scenario, your judgement is that she would have attained 3B had there been no OBS.

I think my answer is the same for both: Dead ball, return to 2B. Y'all got the same thing?

A - Dead ball, return to 2nd.
B - Dead ball, award 2nd.