Look back rule on a walk

[Dakota]

ASA rules, fast pitch game.

R1 on 3B. R1 leads off on the pitch. B2 walks. F2 returns the ball to F1 as BR2 makes her way to 1B. R1 stands and watches BR2 walk to 1B, making no move either back to 3B or to home.

The umpire rules dead ball, R1 out on a look back violation.

Correct or incorrect? Why?

Discussion on-going over on another board. I am fishing for opinions here, too.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Out. Play 8.8-57 in the ASA 2001 Case Book, page 8-46.

Same play, just an typo in the base which R1 is leading off.

BTW, this would also prohibit the BR from advancing any further than 1B as the ball is ruled dead.

[Dakota]

Yes, I slightly edited the case play to not just correct the typo, but to make it clear that R1 was standing off the base during the time the BR was walking to 1B and F1 had the ball in the circle.

I was fishing for the view that the look back rule is suspended until the BR reaches 1B, which would say R1 was legal & only had to decide which base to move to after BR2 reaches 1B.

(I disagree with this view, BTW.)

[IRISHMAFIA]

You would find that fish in the 2002 NFHS rules changes, I believe.

[Dakota]

Mike,

We should be IMing

Again, yes, but the view is that this change by NFHS was to align its rules with ASA. NCAA, maybe, but not ASA - at least not according to anything I can find the rule book or the case book.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally posted by Dakota
Mike,

We should be IMing

Again, yes, but the view is that this change by NFHS was to align its rules with ASA. NCAA, maybe, but not ASA - at least not according to anything I can find the rule book or the case book.

Dakota,
It does appear that one of the SOFTBALL GODS
always deviates from the others, in one rule or
another.

glen

[Dakota]

In ASA (fast pitch game), when the batter becomes a BR due to a walk, the look back rule goes into effect as soon as the pitcher has possession of the ball in the circle for all runners already on base who are not forced to advance.

For the BR on a walk, and for any runner forced to advance, the look back rule goes into effect the same as with a batted ball.

All runners are treated independently under the look back rule.

If you disagree, please say why.

Since a number of umpires (who may not post here) do disagree, I would also appreciate responses if you DO agree.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally posted by Dakota
ASA rules, fast pitch game.

R1 on 3B. R1 leads off on the pitch. B2 walks. F2 returns the ball to F1 as BR2 makes her way to 1B. R1 stands and watches BR2 walk to 1B, making no move either back to 3B or to home.

The umpire rules dead ball, R1 out on a look back violation.

Correct or incorrect? Why?

Discussion on-going over on another board. I am fishing for opinions here, too.

I agree that this applies under ASA by the rule that
Mike has stated.

glen