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[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

I teach it by reminding (at least the older generation) of Pete Rose watching a pitch all the way into the catcher's mitt.

But did you ever notice where Pete's eyes went from the mitt? Right to the umpire's face. Nothing like trying to intimidate the umpire. He did the same thing in softball.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

But did you ever notice where Pete's eyes went from the mitt? Right to the umpire's face. Nothing like trying to intimidate the umpire. He did the same thing in softball.

I also saw where, if he respected the call, he nodded his head at the umpire, then turned back for the next pitch.

Could be intimidation; could be judging your zone for himself, then making the necessary adjustment when required.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

I also saw where, if he respected the call, he nodded his head at the umpire, then turned back for the next pitch.

Could be intimidation; could be judging your zone for himself, then making the necessary adjustment when required.

I've had the privilege (note: see tongue in cheek) of running into Mr. Rose on the ballfield and a few times at the track (horse, not car), or should I say, he ran into me.

I am quite confident the look to the mitt was being a good ballplayer. But the look to the umpire........

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I've had the privilege (note: see tongue in cheek) of running into Mr. Rose on the ballfield and a few times at the track (horse, not car), or should I say, he ran into me.

I am quite confident the look to the mitt was being a good ballplayer. But the look to the umpire........

I use to umpire slow pitch at Wright Patterson AFA, Oh. Pete was on a team there. Got the look then too.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

I use to umpire slow pitch at Wright Patterson AFA, Oh. Pete was on a team there. Got the look then too.

WOW !!! I didn't think AFA was big enough to have there own Air Force base!!!

Should I assume WP includes a federal penitentiary?

[Steve M]

I think Pete's time in the fed prison system was up here - at Allenwood.
One of our local umps - before he got transferred - was the warden or asst warden.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

WOW !!! I didn't think AFA was big enough to have there own Air Force base!!!

Should I assume WP includes a federal penitentiary?

OOOOps, since I do mostly AFA, guess it was on my mind, well in my fingers.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

But did you ever notice where Pete's eyes went from the mitt? Right to the umpire's face. Nothing like trying to intimidate the umpire. He did the same thing in softball.

I never heard anyone describe him as humble.

[NDblue]

And he should be in the Baseball Hall-of-Fame. I don't care what he did off the field, his on-field accomplishments alone warrant him being in the HOF. His problems came when he was a coach/manager not as a player.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NDblue

And he should be in the Baseball Hall-of-Fame. I don't care what he did off the field, his on-field accomplishments alone warrant him being in the HOF. His problems came when he was a coach/manager not as a player.

As much as I do not care for Pete Rose, the person, I agree that his accomplishments on the field should have merited entrance into Cooperstown.

However, you need to remember the upstanding moral fiber of those who have a vote. Individuals who will embellish the negative in anyone's life if it means getting a lead story or a headline. People who will twist fact with fiction if it means a bonus check for the month.

When someone reminds them of what their work is doing to people, teams, leagues and the sport, those pilar-of-the-community correspondents insist they are "just doing my job".

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by NDblue

And he should be in the Baseball Hall-of-Fame. I don't care what he did off the field, his on-field accomplishments alone warrant him being in the HOF. His problems came when he was a coach/manager not as a player.

I totally agree. What he accomplished was amazing....

[Skahtboi]

Then I will be the dissenter in the turn this conversation has taken. Pete Rose was a member of Major League Baseball when he bet on games. Being a part of a game, as a manager, means that he can influence the outcomes. That action alone is worth his permanent ban from baseball. There is absolutely no proof that Buck Weaver ever bet on a game, or even participated in throwing a game, but he is banned forever from baseball simply because he was roomates with one of the Black Sox participants. Rose, on the other hand, knew what he was doing and that it violated the ethics of MLB.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

...ethics of MLB.

Did you get this from a list of oxymorons?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Did you get this from a list of oxymorons?

Ummm....er....yeah. The same one that has Senate Ethics Committee, Army Intelligence, and Vegitarian Chili on it!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Then I will be the dissenter in the turn this conversation has taken. Pete Rose was a member of Major League Baseball when he bet on games. Being a part of a game, as a manager, means that he can influence the outcomes. That action alone is worth his permanent ban from baseball. There is absolutely no proof that Buck Weaver ever bet on a game, or even participated in throwing a game, but he is banned forever from baseball simply because he was roomates with one of the Black Sox participants. Rose, on the other hand, knew what he was doing and that it violated the ethics of MLB.

Okay, he bet on baseball. SO WHAT?

As far as I'm concerned, everyone in the game should be required to bet on their own team. It should be part of the salary structure. The fact that a team's performance is not a major part of it, IMO, helped ruin the game of baseball.

Like I said, I'm not a Rose fan. Have had at least two face-to-face disagreements with him at the race track and he jumped on me because Michael Bolton wanted to play the game by his own rules in a softball game. IMO, he has zero class off the field and is an egotistical ******* who is his own worst enemy.

However, even those who would like to see him banned from ever walking within a mile of any baseball field acknowledge that there is no evidence he ever bet against a team or player over which he had any type of influence.

The man deserves his due and because you have all these "moral" baseball writers it will not happen until after his death. And, as big a sonofa***** he is, he deserves to be in the baseball HOF.