OK, I got the video uploaded
 

This was e-mailed to me from a National tourney or at the least a Regional. What do you think about the stepping out of the 24" PP. You need to hit the play arrow twice to see the video. Dave
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Absolutely I am calling that. And I do.

WMB

Looks like an IP that should have been called. But, is her whole foot outside of the plate? Hard to be 100% sure. I've called that more than any other IP infraction.

Just getting a good start on a pitchout......Real good....

That's crap! For calling the rules? I called it against a ranked team's ace this year - they were from about an hour away. The coach said they don't call that in our area - my smartass reply - Welcome to Charleston! The pitcher looked at me and asked "How am I supposed to throw my curveball?" I looked at the coach and said, "If that's not proof she's gaining an advantage, I don't know what is." He nodded in agreement and we went on to finish the game. I got her early and she corrected it. It doesn't bother me in the least to call that. But just like a crow hop or a leap or leaving early it has to be VERY obvious. Like this one . . .

[QUOTE=CecilOne]Two pitchers called for that this HS season.
pitcher 1) removed from that team's next game by assigner
pitcher 2) mentioned in newspaper as "called illegal pitches again", dropped from State Tournament games[/QUOTE

you mean 'umpire 1/2' dont you?

and yes, that is INSANE...no wonder we don't get respect!

where the heck WAS this anyways??

Yes, where was this?

Let's drop it and delete references to it.

Umpire Position
 

Let's look at this from a different direction. Anyone see the position of the umpire. I have been taught to put my head or eyes at the "top" of the strike zone. The umpire in this video seems to have the umpire setting up really high. Agreed? Disagree?

Might be a case of listening too closely to the defensive coach telling the catcher to pitch out and look at the runner at first. I'm guilty of that. You see a team enough times in the summer and you get to know their signs and tendencies.

There are some schools of thought (LL for one) that harken to the major leagues mechanics and want you to set up your chin at the top of the catcher's helmet. I just think that's way to high. I'm with Bandit - I put my eyes at the top and the inside corner of the strike zone. Of course, he might not be able to get down any farther than that . . .

Only thing I can tell for sure from that video is that its a ball.

That video as is is not conclusive as an illegal pitch . Its close and IMO at best, nit picky. Inch +/- assuming the pitchers plate is a full 24 in

If THAT is nit picky, I'd love to see what you would call a blatant illegal act by a pitcher. You can see from the video that the pitcher is starting completely on the left outside part of the PP if even both feet ARE within the PP width. You can clearly see how wide the plate is and it is 17" wide, and another 3.5" on each side should equal the width of the PP. Extend the edges of the plate out for a reference point. She steps WAY outside of this. Dave

The PP is 24" wide, even if it's not all there.

Is that by rule?

You can see in that video the exact width of that pitcher plate and where she is starting on that plate?

Youre pretty good.

All I'm saying is I dont see any conclusive evidence of anything in that video, and from what i can tell in some scratchy 2 second video is a POSSIBLE IP, if so, ever so slight. Its a big big maybe, not callable from that video from what I can see.

Edit to add my "for the record":

The foot must be COMPLETELY outside the 24" PP.. so its nit picky to call based on a possible 1/2" -1" IMO. For one you are guessing nearly 4 inches without reference point, add another 4 inches for the full width of the foot.. so unless a pitchers throws herself WAY outside, you just cant tell and if you are guessing 1/2-1" under those CONDITIONS, you are being nit picky.

The call is NOT makable by that video shipwreck, not with any honest looking at it.

Sure is funny you are the only one that posted that wasn't sure it was an illegal pitch. By the way, the umpire that took the video is someone I work with regularly doing games together. Maybe you cannot tell anything from the video but he was there and said the pitches should have been called illegal. I believe him. Dave

Well jeez, why didnt you just say so! For that convo, we dont even need a video - we've talked about IP a million times without a video.

Musta been an illegal pitch.

I was addressing what could be seen in the video, which, btw, doesnt even include conclusively the entirety of the PP, where the PP ends, and where the foot conclusively lands in relation to the extra 3.5" from where ever the PP ends. I wasnt disputing the word of your buddy.

You know, with that video, you couldnt even state with any confidence that the pitcher started on the PP to begin with.

OK, I agree with yall, pitcher wasnt even ever on the plate so I'm calling IP.

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enlarged 3X


The evidence of IP is where exactly? (aside from hearsay testimony of your buddy)

If the plate dont fit, you must acquit

I think the plate ends somewhere in the square

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The defense rests.

Good job on the call PU.. your stance could use some work, but good call blue.

What's wrong with his stance? If you are saying you can't be sure if it's an illegal pitch by looking at the video, how do you use that same video to determine his stance is wrong. Dave

here may be a better view for you
 

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She is stepping halfway through the left handed batter's box lines extended. You shouldn't be able to dispute that.

I was just goofin around about the stance.

At any rate.. yeah it looks like it could be illegal.. but you cant see the PP even zoomed.. theres no reference point. This is almost as bad as the fan who can call balls and strikes from behind the home run fence..

Speaking of points, what is your point?

The rules on this are pretty clear. i figger you understand the rule.. so I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Lets pretend in your above video we could see the pitcher plate.. and its a blown call..

So what?

Did your buddy ump mention it to the blue.. or to his partner.. did any of the coaches complain? IP's that EVERYONE is seeing and no one said ANYTHING.. at nationals? I find that hard to believe personally.. or did the PU refuse to call it after being told about it..

Im stuggling to understand your issue here.


Or did your umpire friend just document an alleged blown call for posting on the internet?

Friends like yall who needs enemies.

I do dispute that statement.

Thats an exageration.

You a coach?

It could be illegal.. i admit this video looks illegal on first glance (as opposed to the other one).. but it could be a combination of a floppy strange looking delivery and the fact that it is being filmed off center side as opposed to the exact behind the plate view.

When I enlarge this one.. again its no so clear that the blue you are trying to roast blew the calls despite all the complaining that was doubtlessly occuring during a consistent illegal delivery at this level of ball.

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It would be nice to be able to see the plate in this one.. but like the guy who can call a strike from a football field away, we dont really need all the evidence to decide anything.

Oh the only reason I posted this video was to see if I was able to upload a video and place it on a website. I knew how to do a still picture but wasn't sure about a video.:) Dave

she flops her foot out

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It goes out then in.. (maybe out as much as 6 inches)

I imagine her pitching coach will fix that as its wasted momentum.

But I can see why your friend was confused by that delivery.

Sure as heck looks illegal.. but its not where her foot goes, its where it lands.

That was pretty neato, I dont think I've ever seen a video posted on a bb.

Im gonna have my wife use our digital and film me and try it!

I bet I can blow more calls than that blue

:)

I think I work SP tourney this weekend, not worthy of filming, but I go back to real softball after that.

Hey speaking of stances, this is funny..

Introducing my son and the worlds worst ever umpiring stance.. its his first year .. but I've been ragging his *** about everything wrong here..

This should be like a contest.. how many things can you find wrong here.. lol

I thought of it because I have video of it (great convo piece).. but I'll just post the pic


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I couldn't see the pitching plate, but using second base, I drew some lines for reference. Obviously this is only an estimation. If it is as I see it, I hope I would have noticed it and called the illegal pitch.

(Unless of course there was a bunch of coaches and parents behind me, whining, calling UICs over and taking video of it... then I would probably "realize" it was so borderline that there was no need to call it. :) )

From the video, I would agree with others that it appears the top part of the step has a swing of the foot out slightly and then back in.

http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/t/dte120360/pitch.bmp

That's the oddest locking mechinism I've ever seen! Just what IS he grabbing there?????

He says Im old and dont need it and wouldnt understand..

I imagine the same holds for you :cool:

You guys with the still frames, lines and such are way overanalyzing the end of her motion. You need to look at it in its entirety.

Either this pitcher has small feet / small stride, or she is illegal.

If she is as old / tall as she appears, she is either starting with her pivot foot off the plate on the left (as you face her), or she is stepping outside the 24" width on the right with her stride foot.

Watch how far the pivot foot slides to the right, and how far beyond that the stride foot lands.

She's illegal.

Thanks Dakota. I appreciate your opinion. That is what I was looking for when I posted the video. Dave

Where' s the BU in this?

Why? 78910

I was just curious in general if, because of parallax, the step-off from the PP (if it was only a few inches) would be easier/harder to judge depending on FU position. I didn't see PU anywhere in the video. We teach our young BB players that when they take a lead off 1B that they also move a bit toward home plate...this (due to parallax) gives the pitcher an inaccurate impression of the distance the runner is from 1B.

Oops..I meant I didn't see BU anywhere in video...for some reason I thought he/she would be in B position and that we would see BU in video, but I guess not.