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VaASAump Thu Jul 13, 2006 08:03pm

World Cup Umpires
 
I was noticing that the umpires were wearing ASA uniforms. Does that mean that they are using ASA rules? I thought they would be using ISF umpires, playing under ISF rules.

Serg

IRISHMAFIA Thu Jul 13, 2006 09:33pm

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Originally Posted by VaASAump
I was noticing that the umpires were wearing ASA uniforms. Does that mean that they are using ASA rules? I thought they would be using ISF umpires, playing under ISF rules.

Serg


No, they are ASA umpires using ISF rules. Note the "7-run" rule, not 8. Also, Ms. Smith noted that only starters have re-entry rights, subs to not. Last I knew, that was still ISF's rule.

AtlUmpSteve Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:21pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
No, they are ASA umpires using ISF rules. Note the "7-run" rule, not 8. Also, Ms. Smith noted that only starters have re-entry rights, subs to not. Last I knew, that was still ISF's rule.

Not that I disagree with your premise, but you want to cite the talking head as your source?

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jul 14, 2006 05:45am

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve
Not that I disagree with your premise, but you want to cite the talking head as your source?

I understand, however, the 7 run statement was backed up with graphics and we all know that ASA's rule is 8. Then again, maybe this is a tournament rule unless ISF has made a change because the mercy rule number for ISF was 10 after 5 innings.

Also, this tournament is sanctioned by the ISF and you cannot expect foreign teams (although GB's line-up was far from foreign) to come in and play under ASA rules when all other tournaments among these teams are governed by ISF.

Dakota Fri Jul 14, 2006 09:02am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
No, they are ASA umpires using ISF rules.

The latter aspect (ISF rules) is because it is an international tournament. The former aspect (ASA uniforms) is marketing! ;)

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jul 14, 2006 09:43am

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Originally Posted by Dakota
The latter aspect (ISF rules) is because it is an international tournament. The former aspect (ASA uniforms) is marketing! ;)

No argument there, from anyone. Then again, ASA is the host, so why would you expect anything else :)

Below is the crew:


Julie Johnson (Alexandria, IN/Indiana ASA), who worked as an umpire at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta, will serve as Umpire-In-Chief for the II World Cup of Softball, July 13-17, in Oklahoma City, Okla. She will be joined by Jerry Bark (Killeen, TX/Texas ASA), Christie Cornwell (Greensboro, NC/North Carolina ASA), Kevin Davis (Grand Prairie, TX/Dallas ASA), Tanya Garig (San Francisco, CA/Oakland ASA), Keith Kearney (Killeen, TX/Texas ASA), Dora Martinez (San Antonio, TX/San Antonio ASA), Jeff Sloan (Omaha, NE/Nebraska ASA) and Bryan Smith (Lansing, MI/Michigan ASA).

BTW, these are all ISF Certified umpires, in case you are wondering.

Dakota Fri Jul 14, 2006 09:48am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
No argument there, from anyone. Then again, ASA is the host, so why would you expect anything else :)

I wouldn't. It is a great stage to get your logo in front of everyone. Good decision on ASA's part.

debeau Fri Jul 14, 2006 09:51pm

ISF Rule change mercy rule : 20 15 7 after 3 4 5 came in this playing season along with 63 other rule changes mostly minor things to do with definitions and clarifications

whiskers_ump Sat Jul 15, 2006 03:03am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
No argument there, from anyone. Then again, ASA is the host, so why would you expect anything else :)

Below is the crew:


Julie Johnson (Alexandria, IN/Indiana ASA), who worked as an umpire at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta, will serve as Umpire-In-Chief for the II World Cup of Softball, July 13-17, in Oklahoma City, Okla. She will be joined by Jerry Bark (Killeen, TX/Texas ASA), Christie Cornwell (Greensboro, NC/North Carolina ASA), Kevin Davis (Grand Prairie, TX/Dallas ASA), Tanya Garig (San Francisco, CA/Oakland ASA), Keith Kearney (Killeen, TX/Texas ASA), Dora Martinez (San Antonio, TX/San Antonio ASA), Jeff Sloan (Omaha, NE/Nebraska ASA) and Bryan Smith (Lansing, MI/Michigan ASA).

BTW, these are all ISF Certified umpires, in case you are wondering.

I have worked with and for Bark and Kearney. Been in tournaments with Kevin Davis but have never worked with and seen him work.

BretMan Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:24am

I noticed that for last night's game on ESPN (USA vs. Canada) the umpires were all wearing ISF uniforms.

CecilOne Sun Jul 16, 2006 06:45am

What is the DP rule in ISF? Is it a FLEX type rule or really just a DH as the lineup looks?
Is there any courtesy runner type rule?

debeau Sun Jul 16, 2006 02:45pm

Flex rule is same as ASA or very similar .
Here in NZ it is generally used as a hitter for the pitcher but as coaches get used to it they are using it more inventively

NDblue Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:18pm

Can't the umpires make up their minds? Tonight in the championship game (USA vs Japan), the umpires were wearing ASA uniforms.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jul 18, 2006 06:35am

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Originally Posted by NDblue
Can't the umpires make up their minds? Tonight in the championship game (USA vs Japan), the umpires were wearing ASA uniforms.

They were all ASA umpires, so they wore the ASA uniform.

Julie Johnson was the UIC, so she sets the uniforms.

Antonella Tue Jul 18, 2006 06:50am

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Originally Posted by NDblue
Can't the umpires make up their minds? Tonight in the championship game (USA vs Japan), the umpires were wearing ASA uniforms.

Maybe I am wrong... but sometimes things are more simpler than one may think.
When you umpire an ISF Tournament for the first time, the official sponsor for umpire's uniforms gives shirts, hats, belt, pants, etc.
Sometimes you receive additional items (e.g. socks, ballbag, shoes!!) and it depends from the level of the tournament.
Maybe the sponsor didn't supply enough material (or maybe things didn't fit the right way - it happens really often!) and umpires where 'forced' to use ASA uniform (I like them, by the way).

Ciao


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