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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

So, if I understand you Mike, you are saying that 5.5-B(3) allows a 4th out appeal on a preceding runner to nullify a run, 5.5-C allows an appeal on the runner you are nullifying, but 5.5-B(1) only can keep a run from scoring on a force out of a following runner or BR not reaching 1B if it is the ONLY third out?

And, this is now the interp because 5-5.C was added to ADD that circumstance where the appeal was on the affected runner, but, instead, is being used to limit the following runners? Can I assume you are proposing a rule change or editorial revision to clarify what everyone has known all along?

Would not an appeal on a preceding runner to nullify runs most likely be a runner who also scored? Yes, I know someone is going to come up with a diabolical TWP with Dr. Evil and Mini-me involved, but I'm speaking of a general rule as a starting point.

Personally, I believe "C" should be deleted and the "Note" under 5.5.B.3 be moved and reassigned as 5.5.C.

I might be confused here but in the OP it was stated the BR missed first and was later thrown out at 3b. I would assume then that both runners would have crossed the plate before the missed base appeal was made at 1b. Is this not a timing play and runners having scored before the appeal would be counted antway?

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Originally Posted by AtlUmp

No. The BR is required or "forced" to touch 1B. This is not a timing play.

The game where this situation almost occurred was in Canada. I've discoverd that Softball Canada's rule book is apparently much more concise on this issue: "Additional out appeals may be made after the third out as long as they are made properly and made to remove a run." Pretty straightforward, I'd say.