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DSUAUmpire Mon Jul 10, 2006 03:02pm

Usssa
 
USSSA game: E tourn. homerun is an offense ejection (O.E.). Two outs, Batter is intentionally walked to get to O.E. which follows. BR walks to 1st base with the bat in his hand. PU calls the third out for the O.E. Def. Coach says the BR should have been called out for going to 1st base with the bat in his hand resulting in the 3rd out and the O.E. would have been the 1st out of the next inning. I hope I explained this well enough. I beleive the call on the field was correct since it was a deadball on the walk the BR can not be called out for carrying the bat all the way to first. Also, should the ball be put back in play before the O.E. is called for the out.

BuggBob Mon Jul 10, 2006 04:25pm

Rule 8.4.G says The batter is out when, after hitting a fair batted ball, and while the ball is still live, the batter-runner carries the bat and touches first base.

Base on ball is a dead ball situation, I would not call the out.

Bugg

baldgriff Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:58am

I agree totally. Why in the H would someone take the bat to first is beyond me. But the call is correct

azbigdawg Tue Jul 11, 2006 05:29am

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Originally Posted by baldgriff
I agree totally. Why in the H would someone take the bat to first is beyond me. But the call is correct


Why there would ever be a stupid rule calling someone out for it is beyond me.

Dakota Tue Jul 11, 2006 08:16am

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Originally Posted by azbigdawg
Why there would ever be a stupid rule calling someone out for it is beyond me.

Maybe the same mentality that leads to "must slide" and other various perceived "safety" rules?

Mountaineer Tue Jul 11, 2006 08:22am

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Originally Posted by BuggBob
Base on ball is a dead ball situation, I would not call the out.

Is that a USSSA rule - it's not a DB in any other rule set. Is this "bat rule" also just a USSSA rule? In HS or college, they can carry it around the bases with them.

AtlUmpSteve Tue Jul 11, 2006 09:14am

Larry, I think you missed the unstated inference that this is not just USSSA, but also slow pitch. The "bat rule" only applies in USSSA slow pitch; but balls not hit are dead in slow pitch without stealing. Thus, a walk is simply a dead ball awarded base.

Mountaineer Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:12am

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve
Larry, I think you missed the unstated inference that this is not just USSSA, but also slow pitch. The "bat rule" only applies in USSSA slow pitch; but balls not hit are dead in slow pitch without stealing. Thus, a walk is simply a dead ball awarded base.

Grrrrrrr, that stupid filter . . . wait, how the heck am I supposed to know that?

pob14 Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:31am

I've never seen the U-Trip rules. What is an "Offense Ejection"? Does that mean that the guy who hits a home run is ejected, and when his spot comes up there's an automatic out? Seems pretty harsh.

AtlUmpSteve Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:51am

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer
Grrrrrrr, that stupid filter . . . wait, how the heck am I supposed to know that?

As I said, it was an unstated inference in that there are only home run limits (to my knowledge) in slow pitch, thus the offensive ejection for hitting one in a "no home run" classification. That, and knowing the "bat rule" is also a slow pitch only rule. Assumably, only slow pitch players are crazy enough to use a bat as a weapon after reaching first base.

Mountaineer Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:48pm

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve
As I said, it was an unstated inference in that there are only home run limits (to my knowledge) in slow pitch, thus the offensive ejection for hitting one in a "no home run" classification. That, and knowing the "bat rule" is also a slow pitch only rule. Assumably, only slow pitch players are crazy enough to use a bat as a weapon after reaching first base.

See what I get for NOT doing slow pitch . . .

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jul 11, 2006 01:09pm

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Originally Posted by pob14
I've never seen the U-Trip rules. What is an "Offense Ejection"? Does that mean that the guy who hits a home run is ejected, and when his spot comes up there's an automatic out? Seems pretty harsh.

As the term indicates, it's only on "offense". The "ejected" player is still allowed to play defense.

No, it is not a harsh rule. If you are in a division that limits HRs, thats the rule. If you don't like the rule, play at a level where hitting HRs will not hurt you.

Over the past three or four years, ASA has come dangerously close to initiating similar penalties for excess HRs. For one year, the second HR of the game was an ejection at the D level. Inning-ending HRs have come more into focus lately. That, too, is already done by some assns.

Mountaineer Tue Jul 11, 2006 01:35pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
Over the past three or four years, ASA has come dangerously close to initiating similar penalties for excess HRs. For one year, the second HR of the game was an ejection at the D level. Inning-ending HRs have come more into focus lately. That, too, is already done by some assns.

Personally I like the rule that limits the amount of doubles a player can get. I think it's in the G level. If a player hits more than 1 double in a game he's not allowed to hit more than a single after that and he's also not allowed to score - he must stop at 3rd!

How in the heck do you guys keep all the slow pitch crap sorted out in your head? That would drive me nuts!

BuggBob Tue Jul 11, 2006 05:16pm

How in the heck do you guys keep all the slow pitch crap sorted out in your head?

We're pretty dang smart guy, that's how.:cool:

Mountaineer Tue Jul 11, 2006 05:30pm

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Originally Posted by BuggBob
How in the heck do you guys keep all the slow pitch crap sorted out in your head?

We're pretty dang smart guy, that's how.:cool:

I bow to your greatness!! I have a hard enough time trying to keep all the FP rules separated let alone SP too?


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