OBS or nothing

IRISHMAFIA · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Jul 09, 2006, 11:51am

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Originally Posted by Bluefoot

Maybe this covers it:

POE: Over-Running First Base
"If a play is made at first base, but the ball is overthrown or the fielder is pulled off the base by an errant or missed throw, this also allows the batter-runner to use the white if trying to advance to second base."

F3's play to catch the ('errant') throw and tag 1B is what caused him to miss the white portion. BR touched the white portion, but was not trying to go to 2B.

That is not an errant throw. Check out ASA 8.2.M.5

Dakota · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 10, 2006, 10:42am

Can someone please show me where the rules say the fielder in possession of the ball must be actually making a play on the runner supposedly obstructed?

If the fielder has possession, there is no possibility of obstruction.

Fielder attempting to execute a double play: Bases loaded bottom of 7th tie score no outs situation. Priority of the defense is to prevent the score. Bunt fielded by F1. F1 has the ball but is attempting to throw out R1, and steps into the path of BR, causing BR to run wide. Throw to F2 is successful for the out, throw back to F4 covering 1st base is successful for the double play on a very close call. BR would likely have been safe had she not run wide to avoid F1. No obstruction here... F1 had the ball.

(Edited for clarity - see italicized words, above.)

CecilOne · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 10, 2006, 01:41pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota

Can someone please show me where the rules say the fielder must be actually making a play on the runner supposedly obstructed?

My reference to making a play was wrt a double-base violation, which requires a play being made.

Mountaineer · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 10, 2006, 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota

Can someone please show me where the rules say the fielder must be actually making a play on the runner supposedly obstructed?

Nope - because there is no rule like that. How about a runner rounding third and F5 gets in her way and makes her change her path and pace to avoid a crash - and gets thrown out at the plate? F5 was not making a play but still obstructed - runner is awarded home. Right?

Dakota · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 10, 2006, 02:35pm

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Nope - because there is no rule like that. How about a runner rounding third and F5 gets in her way and makes her change her path and pace to avoid a crash - and gets thrown out at the plate? F5 was not making a play but still obstructed - runner is awarded home. Right?

Does F5 have the ball?

Yes - no obstruction, no award.
No - obstruction & award.

(I've edited my post just above for clarity regarding possession of the ball. Sorry if anyone misunderstood.)

Mountaineer · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 10, 2006, 03:34pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota

Does F5 have the ball?

Yes - no obstruction, no award.
No - obstruction & award.

(I've edited my post just above for clarity regarding possession of the ball. Sorry if anyone misunderstood.)

I KNEW I left something out. No, she's just standing there. Throw going to the plate from the outfield.