Out of play rules, 3rd base side (no fence)
Hi all,
Saw this call the other night at a ‘fenceless’ diamond, what would you call? Hard hit grounder well past third (fair) into left field, but with an arc and spin on it that is now sending it into foul territory. Ball ends up rolling through foul territory and beyond the imaginary line where a 3rd-base-side fence should be. F7 runs over, picks up ball and relays in. Effectively, she has jumped the fence and her entire body was out of play along with the ball. BR is rounding 3B, but PU calls time and sends BR back to 3rd … “Ball out of play!!!” 2 Questions: 1) Should he have awarded her the one base and given the home run? I’m kind of linking it to the ‘unintentionally carries the ball into the dugout’ scenario. 2) Please remind me of a basic a fly ball rule … let’s say there is a fence, do we have an out if F7 reaches over the 3rd base side fence and catches a foul ball? Thanks in advance for any comments, etc.. |
This should be covered at plate conferences on a field like this - but generally this is a ground rule double.
Incidentally, once the ball crossed the line, the ball is dead - fielder's actions or lack thereof become immaterial to the situation. |
Maybe I'm missing something here (probable!). Is this a batted ball that goes into dead ball territory? That's a two base award from the time of the pitch.
I agree with mcrowder, was this covered in pregame conference? If DB territory is not clearly marked, you need to define it in pregame. From what I've read, in my game the BR goes back to second. |
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And yes, any batted ball the fielder can reach and catch in flight is an out, as long as the fielder is in play. |
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Some others have suggested that I should pray on every call anyway. ;) |
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Some others have suggested that I should pray on every call anyway. Just goes to show that no matter what you call - One side isn't going to be happy :) |
Speaking Softball Canada (because that's what bobbrix officiates, iirc). . .
1) As others have already said, it's a two-base award. See Rule 8-7i: Quote:
For this to be a legally caught fly ball, the fielder must first touch the ball while any part of his/her body is still in playable territory and must establish possession before any part of the DBT is contacted. When there is no fence, then theoretically the fielder can leap for the ball and make a legal catch provided that s/he touched the ball before his/her trailing ankle crossed over the dead-ball line and that s/he didn't bobble the ball after coming down in DBT. Of course any runner(s) would be awarded one base. |
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If it's the last ground touched that matters, then I don't think they would have separated these two conditions in this way. Is it to be understood that one is not in DBT until one touches down in DBT? When I have a chance, I'll try to post the actual wording from the casebook. |
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