Legal Tag?

bwbuddy · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Jun 13, 2006, 06:39am

This happened in ASA Fastpitch game last night, but could have happened in any diamond sport.

R1; Batter hits grounder to F4; fielder holds ball in bare hand, but is holding ball against left side of glove (not in glove), while "tagging" R1 with opposite side of glove. Ball never contacted R1, but was in contact with opposite side of glove.

What's the call?

Dakota · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Jun 13, 2006, 07:15am

So, fielder tags the runner with both hands together, one hand is holding the ball?

gsf23 · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Jun 13, 2006, 07:35am

I'll be the first to get railed on.

Maybe reading too much into it, but I have a safe call.

USSSA definition:
TAG is the action of a Fielder touching a Base with any part of his body while holding the ball firmly and securely in his hand or glove. Also, Tag refers to touching the Runner with the ball, or with the glove holding the ball, while continuously holding the ball firmly and securely during and immediately following the tag.

In practice, I think I have always called this an out, but maybe I shouldn't be now that I look more closely.

AtlUmpSteve · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Jun 13, 2006, 08:46am

IMO, you are reading too much into it. Absolutely everyone saw a tag, and absolutely no one can state that the ball didn't also touch the runner while the glove did. Seems to me that is just looking for a problem, and argument, and a likely ejection.

Call the out!!

MNBlue · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Jun 13, 2006, 08:55am

Survival!

Take the out.

Steve M · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Jun 13, 2006, 10:23am

I agree, that's a tag and an out. I see no difference between holding the ball against the glove and holding the ball in the glove.

gsf23 · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Jun 13, 2006, 11:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve M

I agree, that's a tag and an out. I see no difference between holding the ball against the glove and holding the ball in the glove.

I've never seen a difference either, but it looks as though the definition does make a difference. It explicitly states with the glove holding the ball.

I would guess this is another one of those calls that, technically, is supported by rule, but is a call that is not to be made.

scottk_61 · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 14, 2006, 02:44am

[quote=gsf23]I've never seen a difference either, but it looks as though the definition does make a difference. It explicitly states with the glove holding the ball.
quote]

Sounds to me like the glove was being used to hold the ball "to the other hand"

Wasn't it Arizona who had all of their infield very adept at this kind of catch/tag?

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