Catch ?
A batted ball is fielded and gets caught in the webbing of a fielders glove , they cant get it out so they throw the whole glove to f3 to get the out .
Is it an out ? |
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Yes, it is as long as F3 obtains complete control of the ball and/or glove with the ball imbedded in the webbing while touching the base. |
Yep, what Mike said is true.
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Ponder this .
A catch occurs when a thrown or batted ball is held by a hand or glove . It is not a catch if the ball is prevented from from falling by equipment . The catch is only completed when the ball is in the hands or glove . |
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Your point? The ball is still in the glove and the glove is in someones hand. What's the problem? |
A ball must be in the hand or glove
A ball in a glove in a glove is not Isnt a glove equipment , therefore a ball prevented from becoming loose because of it being in equipment is not a catch . |
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If you wish to ignore common sense, please note the last sentence of the definition of catch is the ISF rulebook (02-05): NOTE: A ball which strikes anything other than a defensive player while it is in flight is ruled the same as if it struck the ground. Using your ponderence above, this means that every time a player attempts to catch a fly ball, they may not use a glove because a glove which is a piece of equipment is not a defensive player therefore the ball must be considered to have touched the ground the instant it contacts the glove. Now, try selling that to anyone. |
That was a bite .
Mike ,I, and I assume you are the same , do not blindly accept the rules and definitions because I am told to . I look at the definitions and dissect them ( maybe too much ) to understand them and this makes me understand the rules more . If something doesnt seem right , I question it . Thrown ball only In this question I am not arqueing a no catch , I am trying to get discussion going and I have , although in a small way . Note that I am just taking parts of the definition out of the rule book , not makeing up my own . My point is :A catch is when the ball is the hands or glove , is it a catch when the ball is in another glove held by the fielders glove . Does the sentence in the definitions " prevented from falling to the ground by equipment not encompass the 2nd glove " , it obviously does not mean the fielders glove. I am talking about secondary equipment . As F3 if another fielder jumps in to my arms to make an out on 1st is it out ? |
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As F3 if another fielder jumps in to my arms to make an out on 1st is it out ?[/QUOTE] Not the same thing since the rules specifically address the person touching the base have possession of the ball which requires contol of the ball. A fielder can control and release a ball stuck in another glove. A fielder cannot contral and release a ball held by another fielder. |
I realise I didnt make that clear after reading the threads .
Does it make any difference with a 2nd glove ? |
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If the fielder has control of the ball and can show a voluntary release, it is considered a catch no matter how many gloves are involved. |
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Great !
Clear now no problems . Now my search fo more " boogers" |
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What about FED rules? I know that in baseball the FED ruled that this is not a legal out. Did they also make the same change for softball?
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