Boo

[mcrowder]

rwest, you are confusing two rules. You have been told the correct remedy to BOO.

The rule you are using only refers to instances where the proper batter (after calling the skipped batter out, removing the improper batter from the bases, and moving all runners back to their original bases) is on base (the result of multiple BOO's). That player is simply skipped in the batting order without penalty. Example...

Proper lineup is Able, Baker, Charlie, Dave, Evan.

Charlie comes to bat and singles. Defense says nothing.
Able then comes to bat and singles (Charlie to 2B). Defense says nothing.
Dave then comes to bat and singles. Defense protests that Baker was the proper batter. Baker is called out. Dave is sent to the dugout. Charlie is put back on 2nd, Able on 1st. Now... the proper batter after Baker is Charlie, but Charlie is on base. Charlie is simply skipped, not removed from the bases, and not an out... Dave now bats again.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

rwest, you are confusing two rules. You have been told the correct remedy to BOO.

The rule you are using only refers to instances where the proper batter (after calling the skipped batter out, removing the improper batter from the bases, and moving all runners back to their original bases) is on base (the result of multiple BOO's). That player is simply skipped in the batting order without penalty. Example...

Proper lineup is Able, Baker, Charlie, Dave, Evan.

Charlie comes to bat and singles. Defense says nothing.
Able then comes to bat and singles (Charlie to 2B). Defense says nothing.
Dave then comes to bat and singles. Defense protests that Baker was the proper batter. Baker is called out. Dave is sent to the dugout. Charlie is put back on 2nd, Able on 1st. Now... the proper batter after Baker is Charlie, but Charlie is on base. Charlie is simply skipped, not removed from the bases, and not an out... Dave now bats again.

Your explanation makes more sense then the ASA rulebook. Its a little confusing to me. When it says "No runner shall be removed from the base occupied except the batter runner who has been taken off the base by the umpire as in (2) above to bat in the proper place", I was interpreting that to mean that the batter-runner should only be removed to bat if he was the proper batter (i.e. the one after the batter called out failing to bat).

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rwest

Your explanation makes more sense then the ASA rulebook. Its a little confusing to me. When it says "No runner shall be removed from the base occupied except the batter runner who has been taken off the base by the umpire as in (2) above to bat in the proper place", I was interpreting that to mean that the batter-runner should only be removed to bat if he was the proper batter (i.e. the one after the batter called out failing to bat).

I don't think it is the book that's confusing

If appealed properly, there was no BR to bring back because, upon the appeal, the most recent play with the exception of any outs is negated. All offensive players return to their position at the TOP That includes the person who put the ball into play.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I don't think it is the book that's confusing

If appealed properly, there was no BR to bring back because, upon the appeal, the most recent play with the exception of any outs is negated. All offensive players return to their position at the TOP That includes the person who put the ball into play.

So what are you implying, that I'm the confusing one?

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by rwest

So what are you implying, that I'm the confusing one?

There are many who confuse this rule (or, these rule subsections).

I swear to God this is a true story. I was on the field next door. In one of the WA state HS tournaments in 2004 (a loser out game), Able should have led off, but Baker batted instead. 7 runs later, defense protested BOO. Umpires took all 7 runs off the board, declared three outs. Neither team said a word because the umpires, as wrong as they were, explained their "reasoning" in a satisfactory manner.

Team losing the 7 runs lost game by a run...

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

If appealed properly, there was no BR to bring back because, upon the appeal, the most recent play with the exception of any outs is negated. All offensive players return to their position at the TOP That includes the person who put the ball into play.

True enough, Mike, but...

swallow hard, now...

The NFHS book says it better, and in a way that is less likely to result in an erroneous ruling.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

True enough, Mike, but...

swallow hard, now...

The NFHS book says it better, and in a way that is less likely to result in an erroneous ruling.

I don't know how, I read this rule in ASA as quite clear. Maybe that's because I only need to deal with one rule book.

Did 12u FP tournament last weekend. Had batter strike out swinging third strike. I give strike signal announce 1 out. The next batter steps in and takes several pitches before getting a single. Def coach asks me if the runner on first was the same one that struck out. Yes it was, BOO remove runner and call out the batter that failed to bat. Off coach bounces off the walls telling me I didn’t tell the batter was out. I tell the coach I give the count several times during an at bat, When she struck out I said one out. I don't control who comes to the plate that is your job.