What if?

oppool · #1 (**permalink**) Fri May 11, 2001, 11:57pm

A ballgame was protested in the 3rd inning by the home team for illegal sub on the visting team that was allowed to play then in bottom of the 7th there is a protest by the visting team when bases where improperly awarded on a overthrow which allowed the winning run across

My question is how this would be handled would they 1st replay from the point that the game was in the 7th then of the visiting team won the home team protest would be upheld and played over again from the 3rd??

Just wondering

Don

Gulf Coast Blue · #2 (**permalink**) Sat May 12, 2001, 05:51am

Don........

It is early mind you and I was up late after calling 3 last night........but in my mind.

If the protest for the illegal sub were upheld.......the protest in the 7th would be moot. I would tend to rule on the earliest protest and go from there.

Joel

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Steve M · #3 (**permalink**) Sat May 12, 2001, 06:06am

Don,
Joe;'s right. Handle things seqentially. This way, if the the 1st protest is upheld, the second never happened. If the1st protes is thrown out, deal with the second.

IRISHMAFIA · #4 (**permalink**) Sat May 12, 2001, 08:14am

How many computer programers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None, that is a hardware problem.

Same here. I have enough to deal with on the field without worrying about the UIC's, TD's or Protest Committee's job too. d:-)

whiskers_ump · #5 (**permalink**) Sat May 12, 2001, 08:52am

I agree with Joel, if first protest at issue
is upheld, then go from there. Can not find
any rule that if game does not come out like
the team that filed second protest wanted,
that now they can pick up and restart again,
at point they protested.

whiskers_ump · #6 (**permalink**) Sat May 12, 2001, 05:43pm

I may be confusing myself and others here,
but since home team won, their protest is
null and void, so do we just have the one
protest now by the visiting team on the
improper award by umpire.

Just
something to think about.

oppool · #7 (**permalink**) Sat May 12, 2001, 06:42pm

PapaSmurf,

That was my point on the question I was wondering about since home team had won if there protest was nulled would they pick-up from the 7th tied game but if visiting won, then the protest would be accepted from the home team and then replayed from the earlier point of the original game??

Or would the protest committee go ahead and take a look at both protest and restart game from 3rd since both protest are valid

And yes I know this is not exactly in the umpire realm but just wondering how something like this would be handled

Don

IRISHMAFIA · #8 (**permalink**) Sun May 13, 2001, 08:51am

Well, if they honored any protest, neither team has won the game. Therefore, I would suspect that they would have to consider both.

SamNVa · #9 (**permalink**) Sun May 13, 2001, 11:33pm

Just because a team wins, it does not automatically make the protest null and void (at least I don't think it does.)
It's just usually assumed that the winning team won't actually file the protest. Since the team whose protest came first won the game, if they don't file their protest, the protest committee would only have the second protest to consider, and if upheld, the game would resume in the 7th inning.

If the winning team went ahead and filed their protest, the PC would have to consider that one as well and if upheld, the game would restart from the 3rd inning.

That's my opinion anyway.

whiskers_ump · #10 (**permalink**) Mon May 14, 2001, 10:23pm

You may be right SamNVa. Here is how ASA Rule 9
Section 7B states it.

B. When a protest is determined to be valid because
of the misinterpretation of a playing rule, the
decision will be corrected and the game shall be
replayed from the point at which the incorrect
decision was made. If the protesting team wins
the game the protest then becomes meaningless.

This may not apply in oppool's originial questions.
IRISHMAFIA's reply is probably best way to handled
it, then if played over, just go call it again.