This happened to a friend of mine, who was calling the plate in Bryan, TX at the ASA 14-U B Nationals.
The batter hits a grounder that strikes 3rd base, bounces off and rolls into the dugout. My friend ruled Fair Ball, Dead Ball, and awarded 2nd to the batter. His UIC told him he blew it, that that should have been a foul ball. Now, Rule 1, Fair Ball, E says if the ball strikes 1st 2nd or 3rd base, it's a fair ball. Is there something I'm missing here? |
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Ah, the old "this happened to a friend of mine" routine. Fess up, TexBlue, that was your call in your game, wasn't it!
(Just kidding with you.) If things happened exactly as you stated (after all, you're getting a second-hand account from your "friend") you...I mean, "your friend"...got it right. I would absolutely love to hear the UIC's explaination of how this call was "blown" and what justification he would have for calling this a foul ball. Good fiction amuses me! |
The UIC must be thinking that the ball didn't pass 3rd, as in "struck the ground in fair terr and went foul before reaching the base". Maybe he/she didn't listen.
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I got this situation in an email this morning and I thought I'd see what I might be missing. There was no reason given. Richard Crocker was the UIC and I've always considered him as very good. I thought there might be some situation in the Case Book or some part of the rule I had forgotten or overlooked. Like you, I thought he might have gotten mixed up ( You know how UIC's can get in the middle of big tournaments) and just thought because it never crossed 3rd base, it was a foul ball. I'm trying to get an answer back from Wayne (the PU) as to what reason he was given. I'm sure he got one. He's kinda like me, if he's told he blew a rule, there's gonna be some Rule Books coming out to discuss it with, in the Umpire's dress area. While you can tell me I'm right without proving it, you just need to back up the comment if you tell me I'm wrong. http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/...ckeye/hihi.gif |
Rick,
Who was the UIC at the 14U Tournament? E-mail me if desired. Listed on profile..... glen |
rick,
why didn't you bring this up at the pancake house. i don't remember this play bj |
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Nothing major but they were definately unique. I think maybe the smoke from his cigars cloud his thinking or maybe those cigars have just a biiiittttt of something in them. hehe |
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[Edited by TexBlue on Aug 11th, 2005 at 06:59 PM] |
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Besides, like my daddy always said, " If it's true, don't worry about it! " Why is it that this thread is causing so much concern, when one of the " gurus " on this board will occasionally bash and ridicule statements and people and only a few mild objections are raised about thosse comments? Don't see much difference. http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/.../dvv/sconf.gif |
The difference I see is when we are bashing someone who isn't part of the discussion; remembering you started with a hearsay report of what another umpire told you that happened and what the UIC then told him. Obviously, if that was all completely correct, then the UIC was wrong.
But, we have no way of knowing, Crocker isn't part of the discussion, and hasn't directly said or done anything. Yet we are naming him and now casting for other cases where umpires have disagreed with him. There is a reason why hearsay is not legal testimony. And, I see a difference in bashing someone who may have been completely correct, may have been misquoted, may have been taken out of context, and can't respond appropriately. That is different than what you cite (although I sometimes wonder why that approach is taken, too, I have also been accused of being rude, when I felt my responses were not inappropriate). I'm not from Texas, but I know Crocker from National meetings and the Advanced School several years ago. He has an authoritative air about him; and you certainly could be accurate. But, I just don't want to see this forum lowered to that level; I'm not protecting him, I am protecting our ability to converse in a meaningful and educated way, without resorting to namecalling. Just my opinion. |
As requested, I deleted my post in reference to the named UIC.
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In order for a couple of my post to be deleted, others will have delete their responses to my post.
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