Swearing

88fordman · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Jul 17, 2005, 02:30pm

Had a rough week in the heat and had to call 3 people out for swearing. I spent some time rereading the asa book and didn't find anything aoout it. I know this may be a local rule, but would like some opinions on what should be called and what shouldn't. Local rules state no swearing if cought it is an out. I usually let them get by if they are just mumbling it under there breath and no one else will hear it but if it is loud enough that the fans will hear I ring them up. Trouble is there is no definition of what words are banned.
What do others think.

U_of_I_Blue · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Jul 17, 2005, 04:06pm

Yes, local rule all the way. This is not a good rule because it's very hard to get consistency with it. What one umpire would toss for, another would not. Also, I can guarantee you that what would be said on a softball field comes nowhere close to what these kids will here in a hallway every day at school (I'm only two years removed from those hallways so I remember it very well) so I'm all for just letting it go. If the league that you works wants this rule in place, I would suggest they sit down and come up with a list for their umpires, so everyone's on the same page. JMO.

-Josh

LIIRISHMAN · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Jul 17, 2005, 05:02pm

I want to know how any league has this rule in place.You mean to tell me a guy (or girl) hits a 350 ft shot that's caught the batter/runner says **** and then what do I do.I already have a out. Unless the comments are directed at me or a partciapant in the game I'm not getting involved.

gsf23 · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Jul 17, 2005, 05:17pm

Around here...If that situation happened, then the next hitter is declared out and doesn't get to bat. And then that hitter, goes to the other guy and tells him to keep his fat mouth shut.

When the rule started here, every other word in league was a profanity. As I have said before, the first year the rule was in place, I called it about 20 times. In the 9 or so years since, I've had to call it probably three times. Every time I did call it, never once did the teams get upset with me, they always went after the guy that did the swearing.

Rachel · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Jul 17, 2005, 09:12pm

Perhaps George Carlin can help with the words.

Minnesota has a casual profanity rule. It works.

I agree with gsf23.

IRISHMAFIA · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Jul 17, 2005, 09:45pm

Speaking ASA

If I wanted to be the language police, I'd go to work for the FCC or some other socialist group.

If it isn't directed toward or about an umpire, player, manager or coach and has no bearing on the game, I really don't give a damn what the player says.

If loud, I will ask them to keep it down, but there is no stipulation or allowance to penalize in accordance with the rules.

SRW · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 18, 2005, 12:42am

Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
...the FCC or some other socialist group.

The FCC is run by socialists?

bkbjones · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 18, 2005, 12:52am

If Michael Powell is a socialist, that would make him left wing...gawsh, that would make me like Ted Kennedy. Yikes!

tcannizzo · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 18, 2005, 08:06am

NO POLITICS...THERE ARE OTHER BOARDS FOR THAT!

mcrowder · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 18, 2005, 08:20am

So, who defines what words are profane? Is $hit profane enough? What about crap? Darn? Drat? Rats? Who draws that line?

Profanity laws are worthless unless someone draws the line to ensure consistency.

SWFLguy · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 18, 2005, 08:32am

If it's the "magic word" and loud and
especially directed at an umpire--
bad consequences should result !
In the local rec league back in CNY
it could mean DQ and the player gores home !
If I hear it "under the player's breath" I
might ask them -- "what did you say ??"
and give them a chance to take it back.
Or I might just say "no F-bombs-please"
and let it slide.

Dakota · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 18, 2005, 08:32am

Quote:

Originally posted by mcrowder
So, who defines what words are profane? Is $hit profane enough? What about crap? Darn? Drat? Rats? Who draws that line?

Profanity laws are worthless unless someone draws the line to ensure consistency.

Kinda like trying to define "gulag", right mcrowder?

gsf23 · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 18, 2005, 09:04am

Some of you guys are making this way more complicated than what it is. The reason the rule was put in place here in ND anyway, was because of the mass number of complaints that the State ASA office was getting from both fans and players about the amount of profanity at the games.

When the rule was put in place, during our rules clinics at the beginning of the year, we were told the reason for the rule being put in place, ND ASA wanted to make softball a fan and family friendly environment. We were also told to use our judgement, your umpires, that is what you do. Now we don't want you calling outs for players saying damn or darn or god or stuff like that or for things said under a players breath. We do want outs called for stuff like S$it, F**K, motherf**cker and the such. Again, if no one hears it but you and the player, you let it go, if the fans can hear it, call it.

The first year was basically a learing year, the players learned what they could and couldn't say, and the umpires learned what they should and shouldn't call. It really isn't as big a deal as many of you are making it out to be and it isn't for everyone.

Some of you may not agree with it and that's fine, maybe its not a problem in your area or nobody minds it, but here anyway, the rule was put in place to solve a problem that ND ASA was having and it has done exactly what it was supposed to do and done it very well.

[Edited by gsf23 on Jul 18th, 2005 at 10:07 AM]

coachsara · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 18, 2005, 09:31am

I think there should be no tolerance in the youth leagues. These are kids for God sake and even if they're hearing it at school it doesn't mean we should go ahead and let it go on on our watches.

I had a 14-u fast pitch game where the pitcher didn't like incidental contact at the plate by the runner coming home on a wild pitch. The pitcher responds..."i'm going to beat your F$%king ***" to the runner only for the coach to call me and my parter racist F$%king b#$ches while we were trying to calm his pitcher down.

Can we say BALLGAME.

U_of_I_Blue · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Jul 18, 2005, 09:47am

sara-

I think we're on two separate pages here. In your scenario the players are swearing at the other team (threatening assault none the less) and the coach is swearing at you. I fully agree, rule in place or not, both of these people are gone immediately for USC. Any swearing directed at another player or an umpire I will toss with or without a rule.

What I'm looking at is the times when something slips and the player is not directing it at anyone but themselves (i.e. botched play in the field, striking out,) or if they get hurt and something slips out. I'd have a hard time ejecting a batter who just got hit lets something slip.

Directed at another - tossed without an extra rule in place
Directed at oneself in anger - i'm letting it slide

-Josh