Two questions about pitchers

[greymule]

Can anyone tell me whether 10-and-under ASA FP has a limit on the innings a pitcher can pitch? I can't find anything in the book, but I seem to recall some limit. Of course, I might be remembering some rec league's house rules.

Also, suppose I as umpire remove a pitcher for excessive conferences, excessive speed (SP), or continual violations in the delivery (SP). Three innings later, the pitcher returns to the mound to pitch and the coach informs me of the change. Do I say, "Sorry, coach, this pitcher can't pitch any more," or do I simply inform the other team of the change and leave it to them to protest the illegal pitcher? Naturally, the offending team would be risking having this player disqualified.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by greymule
Can anyone tell me whether 10-and-under ASA FP has a limit on the innings a pitcher can pitch? I can't find anything in the book, but I seem to recall some limit. Of course, I might be remembering some rec league's house rules.

No.

Also, suppose I as umpire remove a pitcher for excessive conferences, excessive speed (SP), or continual violations in the delivery (SP). Three innings later, the pitcher returns to the mound to pitch and the coach informs me of the change. Do I say, "Sorry, coach, this pitcher can't pitch any more," or do I simply inform the other team of the change and leave it to them to protest the illegal pitcher? Naturally, the offending team would be risking having this player disqualified.

Unless the pitcher is reentering the BO, you may not get a "change" from the team.

Preventive umpiring would dictate that if you know this player is not allowed to pitch, you walk over and tell the manager to find another pitcher. If they sneak it by you, then the player becomes an Illegal Pitcher which, when discovered, is DQ'd.

[AtlUmpSteve]

No limit in ASA softball for innings pitched at any level.

I believe that preventative officiating suggests you advise the coach announcing the substitution that the pitcher is not eligible to pitch. If s/he insists, simply report the substitution (change), and let the offended team do what they do, and rule accordingly.

[greymule]

Thanks, guys.

Incidentally, IrishMafia, I had the pleasure of working a college doubleheader with a fine umpire from Delaware named Bruce Weaver. Working with him was like attending a clinic.

[SRW]

...does the re-inserted pitcher become an illegal player? Before or after the first pitch he/she throws?

Assume the pitcher goes back out to the pitching plate, you've informed the other coach, and the coach says "hey, he/she can't pitch, you removed them earlier" before the pitcher throws a pitch. Do you DQ the pitcher then - before they've thrown a pitch, or do you wait until they've thrown a pitch?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by SRW
...does the re-inserted pitcher become an illegal player? Before or after the first pitch he/she throws?

Assume the pitcher goes back out to the pitching plate, you've informed the other coach, and the coach says "hey, he/she can't pitch, you removed them earlier" before the pitcher throws a pitch. Do you DQ the pitcher then - before they've thrown a pitch, or do you wait until they've thrown a pitch?

Speaking ASA

An Illegal Player has not violated the rule until a pitch has been thrown or a play made.

[SRW]

That's what I thought.

Thanks!

[CecilOne]

Originally posted by greymule
Thanks, guys.

Incidentally, IrishMafia, I had the pleasure of working a college doubleheader with a fine umpire from Delaware named Bruce Weaver. Working with him was like attending a clinic.

He was my partner on my first night as a paid umpire, taught me some good things and still helps.

[pitchR_ECU]

Originally posted by greymule
Can anyone tell me whether 10-and-under ASA FP has a limit on the innings a pitcher can pitch? I can't find anything in the book, but I seem to recall some limit. Of course, I might be remembering some rec league's house rules.

Also, suppose I as umpire remove a pitcher for excessive conferences, excessive speed (SP), or continual violations in the delivery (SP). Three innings later, the pitcher returns to the mound to pitch and the coach informs me of the change. Do I say, "Sorry, coach, this pitcher can't pitch any more," or do I simply inform the other team of the change and leave it to them to protest the illegal pitcher? Naturally, the offending team would be risking having this player disqualified.

Hi, I pitched in a USSSA game at age 12... and i could only pitch 4 innings.. i didnt know what was up with that.. so we just let me pitch 2.. the other girl 2.. and then so on.. hay it werked.. that rules pretty stupid

[Skahtboi]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by pitchR_ECU

Hi, I pitched in a USSSA game at age 12... and i could only pitch 4 innings.. i didnt know what was up with that.. so we just let me pitch 2.. the other girl 2.. and then so on.. hay it werked.. that rules pretty stupid

No such rule exists in USSSA at any level. Must have been a local rule.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by pitchR_ECU
Hi, I pitched in a USSSA game at age 12... and i could only pitch 4 innings.. that rules pretty stupid

Rules like this are local rules (LL excepted - I think - I don't call LL) in rec leagues that have only one purpose: to keep a rec team from dominating every game with one good pitcher.

[mcrowder]

My local league thinks that their reason for this rule is to develop more pitchers and to protect their arms. Or at least that's what they say they think their reason is.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by mcrowder
My local league thinks that their reason for this rule is to develop more pitchers and to protect their arms. Or at least that's what they say they think their reason is.

"Develop more pitchers" is a variation on the "can't dominate with one pitcher" reason - a team must have 2 or more pitchers to play a typical league double header. "Protect their arms" is only an issue if their mechanics are horrible (which, I guess, could be true in a rec league).