unusual plays

[Dakota]

Originally posted by David Emerling
When I use the term R2 - I mean it to imply "runner on 2nd."

I never could understand the FED convention for naming runners.

In FED you have to say, "R1 is on 3rd and R2 is on 1st" when it is so much clearer to say "R1 and R3 ..." Plus, you get a better picture of where each runner started which is often helpful in complex situations.

It is not the FED convention. It is the sofball convention. When you post a situation on the softball board it is helps understanding to use the proper terminology. It ain't that hard, and in ain't complicated or difficult to understand. If you can understand OBR, remembering that R1 is the runner closest to home (i.e. the first runner on base) won't tax your mental faculties.

[nvfoa15]

Well I have to agree with Mr. Emerling. I think the softball nomenclature for base runners is backwards. Why can't it be R1 on first, etc? R3 is on third, third is closest to home - what can be more simpler!

[Dakota]

Originally posted by nvfoa15
...what can be more simpler!

Yeah, like in baseball they all go R1, R2 and stuff and like you dudes all go R1 on 3rd and stuff, and like, dude!

Here's the deal - I didn't invent the nomenclature for softball... it is what it is. It helps clarity and reduces misunderstanding to use the nomenclature of the sport.

R1, R2, R3 ... between baseball and softball, the runners are in opposite orders. If you are describing a play situation, it helps if those reading the description are actually placing the runners on the bases you intend with your setup.

Here's one: R1, R2, and R3. BR hits a triple. R1 misses home plate, the other runners step on home. R1 has not entered the dugout. Can R1 return to retouch?

Kinda makes a difference which order they were in, doesn't it?

[nvfoa15]

Dakota,

I didn't mean to imply that you defined the R1-3 nomenclature; I just mean that to me its backwards. Every time I see R1 my first thought is runner on first. I have to force my mind (as feeble as it is) to correct that misconception.

Your example certianly will have a different result if R1 is on first or third, however, if R1 is always on first then the correct ruling will be made.

I suppose its barking at the moon to "complain" about this R1, R3 thing; JMHO its backwards but I'll live with it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by nvfoa15
Well I have to agree with Mr. Emerling. I think the softball nomenclature for base runners is backwards. Why can't it be R1 on first, etc? R3 is on third, third is closest to home - what can be more simpler!

Simpler? See post above. As far as I'm concerned, it's baseball that's backward, but I'll live with it and use it if I engage in communicating on a baseball board. This is not a baseball board, so why is this conversation taking place?

[David Emerling]

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA

Simpler? See post above. As far as I'm concerned, it's baseball that's backward, but I'll live with it and use it if I engage in communicating on a baseball board. This is not a baseball board, so why is this conversation taking place?

It's not a baseball vs softball "thing." FED baseball uses the same convention as softball. It's a FED thing!

Do any of you play chess? As long as we understand which notation is intended - does it really matter.

What's the difference between the move e4 or P-K4? Most chessplayers can easily make the adjustment. Umpires should also be able to make that adjustment.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

[Dakota]

Originally posted by David Emerling
It's a FED thing!

ASA uses the same. It's the softball nomenclature. If Fed baseball picked it up, too, well, that was their choice.

Originally posted by David Emerling
Umpires should also be able to make that adjustment.

Originally posted by David Emerling
I never could understand the FED convention for naming runners.

On this board, we use the softball nomenclature. You'd be more easily understood if you made the adjustment.

On the rare occasions I post on baseball boards, I make the adjustment and use their nomenclature. Seems the sensible thing to do if I want to be understood.

If I can speak French fluently, yet insist on speaking English in Paris with the view that most school kids in France are taught English so they should make the adjustment to me, how do I appear? Arrogant? Self-centered? Boorish? Ignorant? American? All of the above?

[tzme415]

So back to the original question, Part #2....The runner is OUT, because she left early the Obstruction has no bearing unless she was obstructed from returning to the base. In this case she was not -- Not a Dumb Call, just a dumb explanation.