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Old Thu Jul 29, 2004, 11:23am
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Ok, I know we have been having a big discussion about illegal pitches and I don't want to start any trouble but I really would like to have some input on how others call this. We discussed what bringing the hands together is, but I would like to hear what everyone thinks. Let me paint a quick picture:
Girl has ball in glove, puts hands together infront of body starts windup, steping backward, hands swing back then come together again in front of the body and then a normal pitch it really looked like a normal pitch that should have started with the ball in the hand not glove. These were FED rules so I am not worried about the step, but the bringing of the hands back together seemed like a double touch thus illegal.

From the angle I was at she was retouching little doubt in my mind. I was coaching, and wasn't worried about it as we were hitting well and winning the game but was asked to talk with the PU about it by other coaches. I knew the PU from umpiring and just casually said somethign to him about it. His response was that she was not actually retouching on the forward swing after she broke her hands originally.

So the real question: If I was umpiring and she wouldn't have taken the ball out of the glove on the pitching plate the first time, I would have been fine with the pitch as the ball was behind the glove on the swing in front of the body. So I ask you
#1 on the 1-10 seconds with the hands together do you look for a definant touch (and how the heck can you tell if the ball is behind the glove?)? Or is the glove behind the glove sufficient??
#2 If you agree that is is ok to constitute a legal pitch for the ball behind the glove then would you call an illegal pitch as I described with the no doubt seperation to start the pitch and then the questionable retouch (no question that the glove was blocking the ball from being viewed from the plate).

Again I could care less about the interp on the field last night but it got me thinking again about the discussion we had earlier this week in another thread. Thanks for the input in advance.
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