NSA RULE

fpsoftball1 · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Jun 13, 2004, 05:56am

THIS IS FOR GIRLS FAST PITCH NSA @ 16U.

Runner on 3rd base. There is a walk. The ball is returned to the circle and the pitcher makes NO move to throw the ball. The runner on 3rd stays off the bag and is called out before the walked runner reaches 1st base. Can the runer on 3rd be called out prior to the walked baserunner reaching 1st base?

This is what the rule book says.... RULE:When a runner is legitimately off a base after a pitch, or as a result of abatter completing a turn at bat, with the batter/runner being out or reaching first base, and while the pitcher has the ball within the sixteen- (16) foot circle. The runner may stop once, but then mustimmediately attempt to advance to the next base or return to the last basetouched. Failure to immediately return non-stop to the base or proceednon-stop to the next base will result in the runner being declared out.

[Edited by fpsoftball1 on Jun 13th, 2004 at 07:02 AM]

SamNVa · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Jun 13, 2004, 10:56am

Fpsoftball,

From the sounds of things the runner should not have been called out until the batter-runner reached 1st base, but this is a relatively new rule, so your umpire may not have been aware of the change.

Did anyone protest the call?

SamC

fpsoftball1 · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Jun 13, 2004, 09:11pm

THE UIC SAYS THAT NSA DOES NOT REQUIRE THE RUNNER TO REACH 1ST IN ORDER FOR THE RUNNER ON 3RD TO BE CALLED OUT WITH THE BALL IN THE CIRCLE. THE ONLY THING I CAN NOT FIGURE OUT IS THE BOLD FACE LINE IN THE RULE BOOK THAT SAYS: with the batter/runner being out or reaching first base,

whiskers_ump · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Jun 13, 2004, 09:46pm

Quote:

Originally posted by fpsoftball1
THE UIC SAYS THAT NSA DOES NOT REQUIRE THE RUNNER TO REACH 1ST IN ORDER FOR THE RUNNER ON 3RD TO BE CALLED OUT WITH THE BALL IN THE CIRCLE. THE ONLY THING I CAN NOT FIGURE OUT IS THE BOLD FACE LINE IN THE RULE BOOK THAT SAYS: with the batter/runner being out or reaching first base,

fpsoftball11,

Could you quote where you are getting this information.

Rule 1 Sec 8. Batter-Runner: A player who has finished
his turn at bat,
but has not yet been put out, or touched 1st.

Unable to find what you are referring to.

glen

fpsoftball1 · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2004, 06:06am

THE NSA RULE BOOK
FAST PITCH & MODIFIED RULES
RULE 8 BASERUNNERS
SECTION 8
SUBSECTION X
PAGE 106 & 107

greymule · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2004, 07:59am

Apparently this is another key difference between NSA and ASA. I was not aware of it until now.

SamNVa · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2004, 08:21am

Actually greymule,

It appears that ASA and NSa are the same on this rule. fpsoftball1's umpires just don't seem to be aware of it.

SamC

SamNVa · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2004, 08:23am

Quote:

Originally posted by fpsoftball1
THE UIC SAYS THAT NSA DOES NOT REQUIRE THE RUNNER TO REACH 1ST IN ORDER FOR THE RUNNER ON 3RD TO BE CALLED OUT WITH THE BALL IN THE CIRCLE. THE ONLY THING I CAN NOT FIGURE OUT IS THE BOLD FACE LINE IN THE RULE BOOK THAT SAYS: with the batter/runner being out or reaching first base,

Did you show them the new rule, and what was their interpretation?

SamC

fpsoftball1 · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2004, 05:40pm

UPON OUR APPEAL AND THE UIC REVIEWING THE RULE BOOK, ALL THEY WOULD SAY IS THE POINT OF EMPHASIS WAS THAT THE RUNNER ON THIRD WAS OFF THE BASE AND THE BALL WAS IN THE CIRCLE AND IT DID NOT MATTER THAT THE BATTER/BASERUNNER HAD NOT REACHES 1ST. THE NEXT MORNING THEY ALSO SAID THEY REVIEWED IT WITH THE "SENIOR" OFFICIALS IN OUR AREA AND THEY STILL INSISTED THEY WERE RIGHT. I HAVE SINCE SENT AN EMAIL TO THE HEAD UMPIRE FROM NSA FOR A RULING AND I WILL OF COURSE POST IT HERE WHEN I GET HIS RESPONSE.

fpsoftball1 · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2004, 07:19pm

The runner is out if she does not immediately return once the ball goes into the circle. The fact that there was a walk here, is only a continuation of the first part of the rule. ie. when the runner is off of the base as a result of a pitch.

Eddie Ray Cantrell
NSA Executive VP & National Director of Umpires

#11 (**permalink**) Mon Jun 14, 2004, 09:42pm

I don't do much fastpitch, but when I do, I work under ASA rules (with some local league modifications, etc.), but it sounds like the NSA made a case play out of your play. They've been known to be a little screwy with their interpretations. That's one reason a city nearby finally threw out NSA for both slow and fast pitch and switched to USSSA only for slow pitch and ASA only for fast pitch. The interpretations that come down from USSSA and ASA are consistent with the rules that are written, etc.

reed2310 · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Jun 15, 2004, 02:58pm

Best advice i can give is to: NEVER PLAY NSA AGAIN and i am speaking from experience. A.S.A and U.S.S.S.A are the way to go.