ASA new appeal rule

[shipwreck]

I didn't even think too hard on this rule but after getting my test graded, I started looking harder. On POE #1 J Appeals. This is in the shaded area meaning a new rule. On an appeal play, the force out is determined when the appeal is made, not when the infraction occurred. Does this mean under the old rule in the following situation the run wouldn't count but in the new rule it would? Two outs, runners on first and second, batter gets a in the park home run. Runner on first misses second. Defense appeals for the third out on a dead ball appeal. Thanks Dave

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by shipwreck
I didn't even think too hard on this rule but after getting my test graded, I started looking harder. On POE #1 J Appeals. This is in the shaded area meaning a new rule. On an appeal play, the force out is determined when the appeal is made, not when the infraction occurred. Does this mean under the old rule in the following situation the run wouldn't count but in the new rule it would? Two outs, runners on first and second, batter gets a in the park home run. Runner on first misses second. Defense appeals for the third out on a dead ball appeal. Thanks Dave

Not a rule change, just a clarification giving umpires direction that has nothing to do with the play above. In the play above, no run would score in either case.

Bases loaded, one out. B4 gets a hit to the outfield. R2 misses 3B and B4 misses 1B in route to a base-clearing triple. Defense appeals B4 missing 1B. Two outs, but now, R2 is NOT forced to touch 3B, but is still ruled out on the missed-base appeal. Since the third out was not a force, R3 & R1 runs count.

If the defense had appealed R2 first, then B4, all forces would have still been in place and no runs would have counted.

Even though when the violation occurred R2 was forced, it is not a force out once a trailing R or BR is declared out. This clarification is just reinforcing the priorities which occur during the appeal process.

Hope that helps.