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IRISHMAFIA Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:23am

R1 on 1B. After 3 pitches, F1 requests the count. While the umpire is responding, R1 attempts to advance and is thrown out by F2. The umpire should call/rule ............





allancru Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:49am

Runner out.Live ball

greymule Sun Feb 22, 2004 03:19pm

Wasn't this on the test last year? I'll let others answer this one.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Feb 23, 2004 02:37pm

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Originally posted by greymule
Wasn't this on the test last year? I'll let others answer this one.
Do not believe it was there last year.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Feb 23, 2004 02:43pm

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Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
R1 on 1B. After 3 pitches, F1 requests the count. While the umpire is responding, R1 attempts to advance and is thrown out by F2. The umpire should call/rule ............


....nothing.

Send the runner back to 1B. When an umpire is performing functions related to his duties as an umpire (count, line-up change, brush plate, etc.), the game is suspended and no action may take place.

chuck chopper Mon Feb 23, 2004 03:32pm

Grey Mule, its on the test this year

greymule Mon Feb 23, 2004 05:50pm

Funny, I remember discussing that one last year, so I must have remembered it as having been on the test.

allancru Tue Feb 24, 2004 05:43am

HAD THIS HAPPEN IN 12U NATIONALS UIC SAID THIS IS A
LIVE BALL APPEAL

greymule Tue Feb 24, 2004 06:33am

LIVE BALL APPEAL

??

Dakota Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:16am

I think allancru meant "live ball" (without "appeal").

Anyway, the rule here is 10-8B. This is 2003 Case Play 10.8-2. I don't know if it was on the 2003 test, but it was in the 2003 case book.

The rule states
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<font color=blue>Play <u><b>will be suspended</b></u> whenever the plate umpire leaves the umpires position to brush the plate or perform other duties <u>not directly realted to the calling of plays.</u></font>
Notice, it doesn't say "may be suspended" but it says "will be suspended."

The defense is allowed to ask the umpire for the count, and if the umpire responds, the offense may not attempt something with everyone distracted.

BTW, ALLANCRU, NO NEED TO SHOUT. (ACTUALLY, MY BEEF WITH ALL CAPS IS NOT THE SHOUTING CONVENTION BUT THE FACT THAT IS IS MORE DIFFICULT TO READ TEXT WHEN IT IS PRINTED IN ALL CAPS, BECAUSE WE READ BY PATTERN RECOGNITION AND WHEN THE PATTERNS OF THE LETTERS ARE DIFFERENT IT SLOWS THINGS DOWN.) SEE?

bluefire Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:04am

DAKOTA,

WHAT IS WRONG WITH SOMEONE TYPING IN ALL CAPS AND WHY WOULD YOU PUBLICLY CRITICIZE SOMEONE THAT DOES SOMETHING AGAINST YOUR STANDARDS/PET PEEVES? (YOU COULD HAVE EMAILED HIM WITH A SUGGESTION.) PERSONALLY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE TYPING IN ALL CAPS – I CAN READ IT FINE.

Everyone - let’s not get back into the practice of beating on one another here. This should be an educational forum for all of us to learn from. The content of the board is the important thing, not the writing style.

IMHO

Dakota Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:27am

Boy, you haven't been around web boards much if you consider that mild, impersonal, semi-humorous, show-by-example-what-I-was-taking-about beating someone up!

I'm astonished!

(BTW, people who have no problem reading normal text v all caps read letter-by-letter. Pattern-recognition readers have to slow down. Differences in human perception, etc.)

IRISHMAFIA Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:34am

Quote:

Originally posted by bluefire
DAKOTA,

WHAT IS WRONG WITH SOMEONE TYPING IN ALL CAPS AND WHY WOULD YOU PUBLICLY CRITICIZE SOMEONE THAT DOES SOMETHING AGAINST YOUR STANDARDS/PET PEEVES? (YOU COULD HAVE EMAILED HIM WITH A SUGGESTION.) PERSONALLY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE TYPING IN ALL CAPS – I CAN READ IT FINE.

Everyone - let’s not get back into the practice of beating on one another here. This should be an educational forum for all of us to learn from. The content of the board is the important thing, not the writing style.

IMHO

With the exception of acronyms or accentation, typing in all caps is considered rude and in some cases insulting. It is more difficult to read than messages typed in lower case.

I don't see that as public criticism. The question was asked why the post was in all caps and the reasoning behind the inquiry. Dakota had cause to believe Allan may have been shouting as his original post was not presented in the same manner. I prefer to believe that Allan just forgot his "caps lock" was engaged.

Just as equally, why did you to post a dressing-down of Dakota in a public forum?

If you are not familiar with this venue, this board is probably one of the most civil on the internet and most of us would like to keep it that way.

That doesn't mean there are not some heated debates. We speak our mind and have no problem telling someone when we believe they are wrong or misinformed. The common ground here is that even when we disagree, we try to keep it respectful and provide specific citations or references.

Unlike other boards, in the end, if we cannot come to a consensus, we agree to disagree and move on.

IOW, this board operates a lot like an umpire should approach, work and finish a game.

JMHO,



bluefire Tue Feb 24, 2004 01:53pm

Ironic - wasn't it.


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