NHFS - Lineup card must list all players on a team's roster. True or false?
 

Looking for opinions. I disagree with the Fed test writers, but I'd like to hear what the board says.

At the risk of incurring a warning, the coach might not include every eligible substitute.

If a player wasn't scheduled to be at the game showed up mid-game, the coach could add her name to the lineup card. And that would result in a warning. If another player showed up or there was some other lineup card violation, the coach would be restricted to the dugout for the remainder of the game.

So just reading Article 3 as is, I'd say the answer would be yes to including everyone. But I'll second your concept that sometimes we can argue for different answers.

The penalty is rather mild, considering that NFHS stresses safety and participation for the sport.

We had a question regarding a suspended game from early in the season that was continued late in the season. We were told not to penalize for additions to the lineup cards when the game resumed. Players might not be available anymore due to various reasons, and new players may have been added. E.G. some players brought up from JV to Varsity.

Rule 3 article 3 answers your question. The lineup card shall include each starting player and each eligible substitute.

As stated above, the coach can choose to not list all the players but if he tries to add them.later there are penalties associated with it.

Player Suzy Q is out sick. She is on my team's roster. As a coach, I do not put her on the lineup card. She does not play. Is this legal?

If so, it would seem that the statement "all players on the roster must be on the lineup card" is false. Even if I choose to add her later, all I earn is a team warning. If I'm overthinking this, just tell me.

You are over thinking it, the answer is true.

NFHS tests are notorious for "almost true" or "it depends" questions (which, by logic, means false) where the "correct" answer is "true".

If you can find a sentence in the NFHS rule book that is nearly word for word with the question, the answer is "true" regardless of exceptions or logic.

If a coach handed you a line-up card with 13 names on it and there were only 9 players present, are you accepting it?

Yes I accept it.

There are a lot of those, especially with coaches who use preprinted lineup forms and fill in that day's players.

don't think I've ever counted the number of players in the dugout....

Then how do you know they have enough to start?

Absolutely. It is usual that the JV team is playing on another near-by field and the coach will give some of the JV players varsity playing time if conditions allow or require. So, it is usual that some of the listed subs are on the JV team.

Now, admittedly, having ALL of the subs on the JV team would not be expected, but I'd allow it.

I've always told coaches that unless you have a participation rule from the league or school, list your entire school roster if you have to as you never get penalized by having too many players listed. Especially if you have to suspend a game to be resumed as you cannot change the lineup(may vary state to state here).

Not a fan. Ever have a coach try to sub someone who was not there?

IMO, it just isn't necessary to have an entire roster listed on a line-up card. Also, I believe it is ludicrous to penalize a team in any manner for adding a roster player to the line-up card.

And NOW we get back to my original thought...it's not necessary, except for the fact that NFHS rules require it. I missed this test question. I answered False.

Just goes to show that you are smarter than the NFHS rule makers.

If I recall correctly, when nfhs made the new rule about a warning being issued and restrictions for adding players after the lineup was submitted they said while it had been common courtesy to list all your players, many coaches had been needlessly delaying games by listing only thier starters.

Cause: penalizing the coach / team for adding players to the line-up card after the line-up becomes official.

Effect: The entire roster is listed on the line-up card.

Final effect: none, except there are now a lot of names on the line-up card.


IDK what the impetus was for adding the rule for warnings, etc., for making changes to the line-up, but in HS ball, using the JV team as an extended roster for the varsity team had been going on well before that. Hence, the long roster on the line-up card was a predictable response by some coaches.

Not a big deal, IMO.

What delay?

The delay of the game in having to add the player to the lineup card, then report it to the other team and give them time to also add it to their lineup card and scorebook as well as to the official book.

If a coach only listed his 9 starters but actually had 15 or more players and used all of them spread out during the game it would take a considerable amount of time to add each of those players one at a time.

I've never experienced such a delay. The coach offers the name of the sub, I write it down, report to scorekeeper and give it to the opposing team. I'm not delaying the game for the opposition to do their paperwork.

I don't have my book handy and haven't done games in a couple years that use NFHS rules, but I have a question.

Team A lists 14 players on their roster and submits a line up with 9 players and 5 subs (everyone on the roster is listed). Only 11 players are present due to illness or other commitments for team A players. In addition, one player who is present has a cast on her arm for a broken arm. In the second inning, player A becomes injured and can't return to the game. The team uses the remaining healthy player to sub for that injured player. In the 5th inning another player is injured and can't return. The team still has one player listed on the lineup card who is present, plus three on the lineup card who aren't present. How is this handled. If the rule indeed requires you to list everyone on your roster you could run into this problem of rostered players not being available.

I know what I've done in both Softball and volleyball (which also uses preprinted rosters on most occasions) is to have the ill / absent / injured players crossed off. This allows me to know who is actually present and available to participate. The player is still on the roster for the purposes team introductions, ect, but is not on the "active" roster for the game.

The three absent are just that, absent, not relevant to the game or the sitch.

The broken arm player may enter as a sub for the second injury, if padded properly, or become ineligible for the game. The team then plays shorthanded. Unless I misread something.

Having all 14 listed means nothing if they are not there.

Hey, teebob,

Did you know right away which question(s) you got wrong? In NH, we take our test on-line. I took mine today and got a 98. But I don't know which 2 questions I got wrong. I won't be able to check my results for about a month.

At the end of the online test, it should tell you which rules were applied in the ones you get wrong.

I didn't see any rules references. Not in the screen that came up after my submission or on the e-mail confirmation they send out. I only got the score percentage.

Once our test period is complete, we can go in and "review" the test. At that point I'll know which questions I got wrong. They might include references at that point.

I recorded all my rule references on the paper copy of the test that was handed out at our annual meeting. Curious to know if I actually got them wrong or flubbed up picking the incorrect circle on the test.

I'm assuming there are no "mistake" answers on this test like there is on the USA exam.

ha !

Not on ours. At the mercy of higher-ups to allow us to look after testing closes.