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jmkupka Fri Oct 06, 2017 09:47pm

Runner's lane question 2
 
The sit I raised at the end of the other thread of this name, happened tonight at the end the Wash/Chicago game.
D3K, F3 sets up in foul ground to take the throw from F2, B/R clearly running in fair territory gets plunked square in the back. INT.
F2 would've had no problem getting the out with an accurate throw (to foul side). I know, not relevant.

I'm looking for a ruling for NCAA, with no safety base. Can she run in fair ground if F3 sets up foul and the throw is coming from foul without fear of INT (like double-bag rulesets)?

jmkupka Sat Oct 07, 2017 05:45pm

either:

1 a very difficult question

2 a very stupid question

Im banking on 2.

teebob21 Mon Oct 09, 2017 07:33pm

In NCAA, I have an out for INT on the BR. This applies both under the "current" ruleset (which has no runner's lane) or under the upcoming 2018-2019 rules.

jmkupka Tue Oct 10, 2017 08:39am

thanks for that, teebob... the only reason I even bring it up is that ASA makes the point of spelling out the exception.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Oct 10, 2017 08:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmkupka (Post 1009856)
thanks for that, teebob... the only reason I even bring it up is that ASA makes the point of spelling out the exception.

To what exception are you referring?

jmkupka Tue Oct 10, 2017 09:02am

Not an exception per se, but paraphrasing, ASA (and PONY) indicates that, when F3 is set up in foul ground (guess that means on the orange bag, so that should answer the question right there), and the throw comes from foul ground, the BR may choose to use fair ground (and the white bag) without fear of INT

CecilOne Tue Oct 10, 2017 09:06am

What is "ASA" ? ;)

jmkupka Tue Oct 10, 2017 09:13am

HAH... sorry. :\ last time I called an ASA/USA game, it was ASA...

AtlUmpSteve Tue Oct 10, 2017 09:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmkupka (Post 1009858)
Not an exception per se, but paraphrasing, ASA (and PONY) indicates that, when F3 is set up in foul ground (guess that means on the orange bag, so that should answer the question right there), and the throw comes from foul ground, the BR may choose to use fair ground (and the white bag) without fear of INT

So here's the thing; NFHS acknowledges that there may be a double bag (if state allows), but makes no rules relating to it. NCAA does not allow it.

So, the basic rule is that the only place to be without risk of interference (just because of the location) is in the one and only running lane.

Realistically, except in the instance where runner and throw cross paths in a "good" throw, it would be rare that interference should be applied on what would generally be an errant throw as I visualize what you are asking.

jmkupka Tue Oct 10, 2017 09:35am

goes without saying (so I'll say it anyway), BR can't go wrong by just running in the dang Lane, so just do it.

The MLB game (hate to reference it) had F3, right foot on the bag, left foot way foul, ready for the throw from foul ground. Zimmerman, running way fair, hit square in the back.

F2 could've easily gotten an out with a quality throw, but this way, he potentially got runner(s) to return to their base(s).


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