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Mountaincoach Sun May 28, 2017 04:39pm

NFHS upward arc foul ball caught.
 
I know ASA eliminated the requirement for a caught foul ball (with an upward and downward arc) for an out to go above the batter's head in 2006. Did NFHS eliminate that requirement as well? I can't find it on the rule book or case book.

CecilOne Sun May 28, 2017 06:03pm

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Originally Posted by Mountaincoach (Post 1006224)
I know ASA eliminated the requirement for a caught foul ball (with an upward and downward arc) for an out to go above the batter's head in 2006. Did NFHS eliminate that requirement as well? I can't find it on the rule book or case book.

Either in the definition or in a case related to the foul definition, don't have time to find it.

Jake26 Sun May 28, 2017 08:53pm

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 1006225)
Either in the definition or in a case related to the foul definition, don't have time to find it.

Case Book. Example 5 of 2.25 Comment. That section begins on Page 13, but Example 5 is on the following page.

(5) A pitch touches the bat of B2 and loops over the catcher's head (never higher than the batter's head). F2 lunges backward and makes a diving catch. B2 is out and the ball remains alive.

BretMan Sun May 28, 2017 09:03pm

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Originally Posted by Mountaincoach (Post 1006224)
I know ASA eliminated the requirement for a caught foul ball (with an upward and downward arc) for an out to go above the batter's head in 2006...

What you "know" actually isn't true at all.

There has never been a rule that said a foul ball had to travel any given height before it could be caught as a fly ball for an out. That was a rule myth, one of those misperceptions that got repeated over and over again.

What the old rule said was that if a batted ball went higher than the batter's head, then it could not be ruled as a foul tip. Somehow, people twisted that around to assume that a pop foul had to go a certain height, when what it was actually saying was that a foul tip could NOT go a certain height.

Regardless, NFHS doesn't have anything in their rule about any batted ball going "higher than the batter's head". My recollection is that they removed that from the foul tip definition about a year after ASA did (but I'd have to dig through my old rule books to confirm that).

Mountaincoach Sun May 28, 2017 09:20pm

Thanks guys! I tried to find it, and just couldn't nail it down. My catcher performed the exact same maneuver yesterday as portrayed in that example. PU called the batter out. Field umpire (who was not asked) overruled the PU and said "foul ball" because it didn't clear the height of her head. We got the out with the very next pitch, but I knew he was citing a rule that was changed many years ago.

Mountaincoach Sun May 28, 2017 09:22pm

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Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 1006227)
What you "know" actually isn't true at all.

There has never been a rule that said a foul ball had to travel any given height before it could be caught as a fly ball for an out. That was a rule myth, one of those misperceptions that got repeated over and over again.

What the old rule said was that if a batted ball went higher than the batter's head, then it could not be ruled as a foul tip. Somehow, people twisted that around to assume that a pop foul had to go a certain height, when what it was actually saying was that a foul tip could NOT go a certain height.

Regardless, NFHS doesn't have anything in their rule about any batted ball going "higher than the batter's head". My recollection is that they removed that from the foul tip definition about a year after ASA did (but I'd have to dig through my old rule books to confirm that).

Interesting. Amazing how myths like that take off. Thanks.

RKBUmp Sun May 28, 2017 10:23pm

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Originally Posted by Mountaincoach (Post 1006228)
Thanks guys! I tried to find it, and just couldn't nail it down. My catcher performed the exact same maneuver yesterday as portrayed in that example. PU called the batter out. Field umpire (who was not asked) overruled the PU and said "foul ball" because it didn't clear the height of her head. We got the out with the very next pitch, but I knew he was citing a rule that was changed many years ago.

Where are you getting officials that overrule each other. NO OFFICIAL MAY EVER OVERRULE ANOTHERS CALL. Further, an official may not give input on another officials call unless requested by the calling official.

Mountaincoach Mon May 29, 2017 05:35am

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 1006231)
Where are you getting officials that overrule each other. NO OFFICIAL MAY EVER OVERRULE ANOTHERS CALL. Further, an official may not give input on another officials call unless requested by the calling official.

I know. Trust me, I know. I sent you a PM to answer your question.


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