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genetoy71 Thu Apr 27, 2017 05:56am

High school softball - legal equipment to wear college logo hat when pitching?
 
Is it legal equipment in NFHS (Ohio) softball for a fielder to wear a hat with a college logo on the front? Last night the opposing pitcher had a red hat with a big, black block "O".

3afan Thu Apr 27, 2017 06:14am

Per 3-2-5, yes it is legal.

ART. 5 . . . Headwear (caps, visors, headbands, ribbons, etc.) may be mixed. If worn, they must be white, black, beige or school colors (the colors are not required to be the same for team members). The logo may be any color. Flat items, no longer than 2 inches, used to control the hair, such as bobby pins, barrettes and hair clips, are permitted. Plastic visors, bandannas and hair-beads are prohibited.

scrounge Thu Apr 27, 2017 06:43am

and in obvious good taste, as well

genetoy71 Thu Apr 27, 2017 06:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3afan (Post 1005172)
Per 3-2-5, yes it is legal.

ART. 5 . . . Headwear (caps, visors, headbands, ribbons, etc.) may be mixed. If worn, they must be white, black, beige or school colors (the colors are not required to be the same for team members). The logo may be any color. Flat items, no longer than 2 inches, used to control the hair, such as bobby pins, barrettes and hair clips, are permitted. Plastic visors, bandannas and hair-beads are prohibited.

Thank you for the rule book reference. I had read that during the game. What I was not certain about was the reference to "logo" in "The logo may be any color." It was not a logo of her school. It was an Ohio State logo.

Manny A Thu Apr 27, 2017 07:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by genetoy71 (Post 1005174)
Thank you for the rule book reference. I had read that during the game. What I was not certain about was the reference to "logo" in "The logo may be any color." It was not a logo of her school. It was an Ohio State logo.

Under NFHS Rule 3-2-3, the only restrictions on logos involve the sizes of manufacturer's logos. A player cannot have a hat that has a huge Nike swoosh, for example. Any other kind of logo, such as school letters, mascots, etc., are not restricted.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Apr 27, 2017 09:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by genetoy71 (Post 1005171)
Is it legal equipment in NFHS (Ohio) softball for a fielder to wear a hat with a college logo on the front? Last night the opposing pitcher had a red hat with a big, black block "O".

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 1005173)
and in obvious good taste, as well

Quote:

Originally Posted by genetoy71 (Post 1005174)
Thank you for the rule book reference. I had read that during the game. What I was not certain about was the reference to "logo" in "The logo may be any color." It was not a logo of her school. It was an Ohio State logo.


And it darn well better be an Ohio State logo! LOL! Because the only other acceptable logo would be Youngstown State! Go Penguins!

MTD, Sr.

BretMan Fri Apr 28, 2017 08:52am

I'll kick in with the same answer that I gave on the other forum...

For a really nit-picky uniform rule, the uniform may have only one manufacturer's logo. If the jerseys are, say, Under Armour, and the hat is Nike...well, that would be two logos and one of them would have to go. ;)

BretMan Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:09pm

Better answer...

If it's an Ohio State hat, then it's legal. If, however, it's a Michigan hat, the player is ejected!

Manny A Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 1005202)
For a really nit-picky uniform rule, the uniform may have only one manufacturer's logo. If the jerseys are, say, Under Armour, and the hat is Nike...well, that would be two logos and one of them would have to go. ;)

Boy, THAT'S really picking nits. I've never bothered to look at players' that closely to see if they have different logos on different uniform parts, especially when things like caps, visors, undershirts and socks are typically personal items. If a coach ever complained to me that the opposing team had Nike shirts and Mizuno pants, I'd ask to see his proof of completing the courses on Concussion in Sports, Fundamentals of Coaching, and Heat Illness Prevention, which is required of coaches in our state. ;)

Mountaincoach Fri Apr 28, 2017 01:09pm

Let me ask a question of you guys on this subject. For years, I've watched a lot of local coaches and umpires tell little tiny girls "You can't wear that camouflage pattern really bright pink fielder's mask if you pitch when you're older." Have you guys ever had a coach insist that an older (middle school or high school for example) pitcher remove one of those bright potentially-distracting masks and put on a more uniform colored mask? Or maybe they had something distracting attached to the mask? Obviously, most older kids grow out of those crazy masks as they get older, but is this just sort of an urban legend? I've looked at the NFHS rule book, and it just mentions clothing, not the mask.

BretMan Fri Apr 28, 2017 03:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 1005206)
Boy, THAT'S really picking nits. I've never bothered to look at players' that closely to see if they have different logos on different uniform parts, especially when things like caps, visors, undershirts and socks are typically personal items. If a coach ever complained to me that the opposing team had Nike shirts and Mizuno pants, I'd ask to see his proof of completing the courses on Concussion in Sports, Fundamentals of Coaching, and Heat Illness Prevention, which is required of coaches in our state. ;)

Yeah, I think that maybe I wouldn't even notice this. But which is crazier- enforcing this rule or the fact that the NFHS even wrote a rule like this in the first place! :eek:

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 1005205)
Better answer...

If it's an Ohio State hat, then it's legal. If, however, it's a Michigan hat, the player is ejected!


I concur 100%!

MTD, Sr.

Manny A Sat Apr 29, 2017 06:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountaincoach (Post 1005208)
Let me ask a question of you guys on this subject. For years, I've watched a lot of local coaches and umpires tell little tiny girls "You can't wear that camouflage pattern really bright pink fielder's mask if you pitch when you're older." Have you guys ever had a coach insist that an older (middle school or high school for example) pitcher remove one of those bright potentially-distracting masks and put on a more uniform colored mask? Or maybe they had something distracting attached to the mask? Obviously, most older kids grow out of those crazy masks as they get older, but is this just sort of an urban legend? I've looked at the NFHS rule book, and it just mentions clothing, not the mask.

The rules typically give umpires the wherewithal to have a pitcher remove something that the umpire feels is distracting. If a coach came to me and said, "Blue, her mask has a camouflage pattern that bothers my batter's," chances are I will let her pitch with it and tell the coach to go away.

3afan Sat Apr 29, 2017 07:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BretMan (Post 1005202)
I'll kick in with the same answer that I gave on the other forum...

For a really nit-picky uniform rule, the uniform may have only one manufacturer's logo. If the jerseys are, say, Under Armour, and the hat is Nike...well, that would be two logos and one of them would have to go. ;)

Rule: 3-2-3

ART. 3 . . . The school's official uniform (including uniform jersey, and/or pants/shorts/skirts, etc., visible undergarments, socks, stockings, caps and headwear) <b>may bear only a single manufacturer's logo/trademark/reference (partial or whole)</B> that does not exceed 2¼ square inches with no dimension exceeding 2¼ inches on each item.

That is nit-picky ... who cares!

IRISHMAFIA Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3afan (Post 1005219)
Rule: 3-2-3

ART. 3 . . . The school's official uniform (including uniform jersey, and/or pants/shorts/skirts, etc., visible undergarments, socks, stockings, caps and headwear) <b>may bear only a single manufacturer's logo/trademark/reference (partial or whole)</B> that does not exceed 2¼ square inches with no dimension exceeding 2¼ inches on each item.

That is nit-picky ... who cares!

Apparently NFHS


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