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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri May 06, 2016 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by tru_in_blu (Post 987225)
legitimate trickery

i love this phrase. I love this concept.

The only downside to this is if i end up being tricked! :o

+10

Rich Ives Fri May 06, 2016 01:23pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 987185)
Chapmaja:

So you are saying that "The Hidden Ball Play" is not in the Spirit of Fair Play?

The OP is no different that the "Skunk in the grass" play.

MTD, Sr.
This is more like the Miami play. Still legal.

Rich Ives Fri May 06, 2016 01:24pm
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Originally Posted by chapmaja (Post 987181)
I do think this is not in the spirit of fair play, however it is also a great play given the nature of the world we live in today.

How would I rule in a game? R1 is out and R1's coach needs to do a better job coaching at 3rd base. I put the blame on this right on the coach. A coach needs to know where the ball is and instruct the players what to do based on the information he/she has available to her that the runner does not have. If the coach says stay and the runner goes anyway, that's on the runner for not listening to the coach.
Is it OK to trick the batter by not telling her what pitch is coming?

teebob21 Fri May 06, 2016 02:27pm
2017 NFHS Rule Changes:
  • The baserunner is no longer required to touch each base in order.
  • The pitcher is no longer allowed to take a step during the delivery and must pitch with both feet on the ground at the same time.
  • The batter is given the privilege of calling for a low or high pitch. A pitch that is high, when the batter has called for a low pitch, and vice versa, shall be ruled a ball.

In case anyone is humor-impaired, these are actual 19th century baseball rules.

IRISHMAFIA Fri May 06, 2016 08:51pm
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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 987233)
Is it OK to trick the batter by not telling her what pitch is coming?
And if a change-up is thrown after a fastball is called!?!? Hell, that's gotta be worth two bases :)

IRISHMAFIA Fri May 06, 2016 08:54pm
Love this play

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ9cXtvkhrU

Andy Mon May 09, 2016 10:50am
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Originally Posted by teebob21 (Post 987237)
2017 NFHS Rule Changes:
  • The baserunner is no longer required to touch each base in order.
  • The pitcher is no longer allowed to take a step during the delivery and must pitch with both feet on the ground at the same time.
  • The batter is given the privilege of calling for a low or high pitch. A pitch that is high, when the batter has called for a low pitch, and vice versa, shall be ruled a ball.

In case anyone is humor-impaired, these are actual 19th century baseball rules.
Did you get those from Irishmafia from his early years as an umpire? :D

IRISHMAFIA Mon May 09, 2016 11:43am
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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 987329)
Did you get those from Irishmafia from his early years as an umpire? :D
That would be the late 60's, long before there were computers let alone the internet. :) Was AZ even a state back then ;)

CecilOne Mon May 09, 2016 04:34pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 987332)
That would be the late 60's, long before there were computers let alone the internet. :) Was AZ even a state back then ;)
Computers were created in the40's. I was programming second generation in late 60's.

Tru_in_Blu Mon May 09, 2016 09:16pm
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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 987342)
Computers were created in the40's. I was programming second generation in late 60's.
And I was processing tax returns on IBM punch-cards in 1968. And still using punch cards to program rudimentary capital budgeting assignments in grad school in 1980.

IRISHMAFIA Mon May 09, 2016 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 987342)
Computers were created in the40's. I was programming second generation in late 60's.
Wasn't talking about an abacus :)

Yes, I should have chosen my words more carefully. I was referring to easily accessible, personal-type computer

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon May 09, 2016 10:49pm
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Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 987354)
And I was processing tax returns on IBM punch-cards in 1968. And still using punch cards to program rudimentary capital budgeting assignments in grad school in 1980.

I wrote FORTRAN programs and used punch cards to input them for my programming class in engineering school in the early 1970s.

MTD, Sr.

tcannizzo Tue May 10, 2016 08:54am
I've been selling enterprise software since the mid-70's.
One of my customers took his old IBM 360/30 and made a dog house out of it; the panel with the lights, dials and switches went behind his bar.:cool:

Rich Ives Tue May 10, 2016 08:55am
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 987360)
I wrote FORTRAN programs and used punch cards to input them for my programming class in engineering school in the early 1970s.

MTD, Sr.
Put a diagonal stripe on the card deck.


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