The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Softball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:42am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: North Texas
Posts: 429
NFHS: ear spacers

Legal in Fed?



https://blog.itriagehealth.com/wp-co...auged-ears.jpg

Last edited by 3afan; Sat Apr 16, 2016 at 04:53am.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:42am
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 8,047
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3afan View Post

It is jewelry. What did you think it was?

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:54am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: North Texas
Posts: 429
I did not think it was anything. A member of my chapter ran into this and asked the question. I found it interesting so I posted the question here.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:32am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: USA
Posts: 14,565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. View Post
It is jewelry. What did you think it was?

MTD, Sr.
In most cases, the spacer is solid and it is safer for the player with the spacer in place than it is removed.
__________________
The bat issue in softball is as much about liability, insurance and litigation as it is about competition, inflated egos and softball.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:25pm
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 8,047
Quote:
Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA View Post
In most cases, the spacer is solid and it is safer for the player with the spacer in place than it is removed.

It is still jewelry. Therefore illegal.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:19pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: USA
Posts: 14,565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. View Post
It is still jewelry. Therefore illegal.

MTD, Sr.
When the resolution is more dangerous than the violation, a rule needs to be changed or dumped. Again, part of the problem with admin/coaches making rules with little to know working knowledge
__________________
The bat issue in softball is as much about liability, insurance and litigation as it is about competition, inflated egos and softball.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:16pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 561
Send a message via AIM to BoomerSooner
Quote:
Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA View Post
When the resolution is more dangerous than the violation, a rule needs to be changed or dumped. Again, part of the problem with admin/coaches making rules with little to know working knowledge
I understand what you are saying here, but it is a little difficult to write a rule book that covers all possibilities, especially where it concerns matters that aren't related to the play of the game. Additionally, the authors of rule books are also faced with the challenge of considering potential liability impact of the rules.

I don't have a copy of the most current baseball or softball rule books, so help me out on this: Was language regarding ear spacers added to the rules this year? I don't recall seeing it in the football or basketball books, but I could have missed that as well. In any case, if ear spacers aren't specifically defined by NFHS as "jewelry" and argument could be made that it is ump to the official/umpire to make a determination if they are in fact jewelry and thus illegal. I fall in line with MTD and feel they are jewelry, but I imagine someone with more knowledge of the subject might tell me they are technically body modification devices or something like that.

Personally I'm going to err on the side of telling the player she can't play while wearing jewelry. I believe similar cases have been discussed here before with the conclusion (as applied to the specifics of this case) that this is the only way to avoid the risk of being sued if the player suffers an injury related to the ear spacers. If you allow the player to play with them in, it could be argued that you were negligent in your duties by allowing a player to play while wearing jewelry. If you tell the player she can play if she takes them out and an injury like Irish is concerned about occurs, it could be argued that you instructed the player to take them out which resulted in a subsequent injury.
__________________
My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:40pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Maryland (northeast of Baltimore)
Posts: 371
When it comes to jewelry, I always say "you DO NOT have to take it out, but you can't play with it in.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:25pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: USA
Posts: 14,565
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomerSooner View Post
I understand what you are saying here, but it is a little difficult to write a rule book that covers all possibilities, especially where it concerns matters that aren't related to the play of the game. Additionally, the authors of rule books are also faced with the challenge of considering potential liability impact of the rules.

I don't have a copy of the most current baseball or softball rule books, so help me out on this: Was language regarding ear spacers added to the rules this year? I don't recall seeing it in the football or basketball books, but I could have missed that as well. In any case, if ear spacers aren't specifically defined by NFHS as "jewelry" and argument could be made that it is ump to the official/umpire to make a determination if they are in fact jewelry and thus illegal. I fall in line with MTD and feel they are jewelry, but I imagine someone with more knowledge of the subject might tell me they are technically body modification devices or something like that.

Personally I'm going to err on the side of telling the player she can't play while wearing jewelry. I believe similar cases have been discussed here before with the conclusion (as applied to the specifics of this case) that this is the only way to avoid the risk of being sued if the player suffers an injury related to the ear spacers. If you allow the player to play with them in, it could be argued that you were negligent in your duties by allowing a player to play while wearing jewelry. If you tell the player she can play if she takes them out and an injury like Irish is concerned about occurs, it could be argued that you instructed the player to take them out which resulted in a subsequent injury.
All the more reason to dump the rule. They do not present a danger to any other participant.
__________________
The bat issue in softball is as much about liability, insurance and litigation as it is about competition, inflated egos and softball.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:31pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Land Of The Free and The Home Of The Brave (MD/DE)
Posts: 6,425
Quote:
Originally Posted by little jimmy View Post
when it comes to jewelry, i always say "you do not have to take it out, but you can't play with it in.
exactly !
__________________
Officiating takes more than OJT.
It's not our jobs to invent rulings to fit our personal idea of what should and should not be.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:34am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 22
As a coach, all I know is I'm going to start making liberal use of the term "ear spacers", as in "Come on girls! Get your ear spacers in the game!"
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:24pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: North Texas
Posts: 429
FYI, we are still waiting to get "official" word on this from our state association
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:29pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Woodstock, GA; Atlanta area
Posts: 2,822
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3afan View Post
FYI, we are still waiting to get "official" word on this from our state association
Why don't you just ask Walt Sparks directly?
__________________
Steve
ASA/ISF/NCAA/NFHS/PGF
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:22pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: North Texas
Posts: 429
Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve View Post
Why don't you just ask Walt Sparks directly?
Thats who our chapter rep did ask ....
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NEW - 2003 NFHS Football Rule Changes (as written by the NFHS Rules Committee) KWH Football 27 Tue Jan 21, 2003 11:30am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:38am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1