Illeal Pitch

[agr8zebra]

So you have the Illegal pitch while she is on the rubber. Do you call the IP and signal? Thus giving her and opportunity to step off the rubber so you can enforce the ball and advanced. Or do you enforce immediately?

My thinking by enforcing it immediately you take away one of the options of the offense to o tske the result of the play/pitch? Am I wrong in mt thinking?

THOUGHTS

[RKBUmp]

You always call and signal the IP when it happens, it is a delayed dead ball. If it becomes obvious the pitcher is not going to deliver the ball, then yes, you stop play and award the penalty. But, you should delay for a moment to see what the pitcher is going to do before you call dead ball.

[Tru_in_Blu]

And you should not refer to the pitcher's plate as a rubber.

[Manny A]

What rule set are you going with?

In NFHS play, rule 5-1-1p says the ball is dead immediately when there's an illegal pitch violation with no pitch thrown. In NCAA play, rule 10.8 was changed this year to include the Effect that if there's an illegal pitch but the pitch is not released, it's a dead ball. So in those two rule sets, you don't have to signal DDB and wait if, for example, the pitcher steps on the plate with her hands together.

Not sure if ASA is the same.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Manny A

What rule set are you going with?

In NFHS play, rule 5-1-1p says the ball is dead immediately when there's an illegal pitch violation with no pitch thrown. In NCAA play, rule 10.8 was changed this year to include the Effect that if there's an illegal pitch but the pitch is not released, it's a dead ball. So in those two rule sets, you don't have to signal DDB and wait if, for example, the pitcher steps on the plate with her hands together.

Not sure if ASA is the same.

If I'm reading the italicized correctly, are you saying that once the pitcher steps on to the plate with her hands together, you immediately call a dead ball and enforce the illegal pitch? I hope not, because that would be incorrect.

The interpretation of "no pitch thrown" is that the pitcher stops her motion or holds the ball when she hears the illegal pitch call or sees an umpire give the delayed dead ball signal. You always need to allow the pitcher to pitch, since the offense could have an option if the ball is put in play. The result of the play could be more advantageous to the offense if the ball is pitched.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Andy

If I'm reading the italicized correctly, are you saying that once the pitcher steps on to the plate with her hands together, you immediately call a dead ball and enforce the illegal pitch? I hope not, because that would be incorrect.

The interpretation of "no pitch thrown" is that the pitcher stops her motion or holds the ball when she hears the illegal pitch call or sees an umpire give the delayed dead ball signal. You always need to allow the pitcher to pitch, since the offense could have an option if the ball is put in play. The result of the play could be more advantageous to the offense if the ball is pitched.

Do you have an authoritative interpretation that says that? I thought that the DDB and allowing play to continue happens when the pitcher commits an illegal pitch while pitching (e.g., she leaps, she slingshots, etc.)

So, you wait and wait and wait until the ball is pitched? I don't read that in NFHS rule 5.1.1p. This is under the "immediate dead ball" rule, and that doesn't sound like "immediate" to me.