Direct or Indirect

[refnrev]

I love this one. It always brings up lively debate from people who argue both ways. The keeper, after making a stop, steps out of the box when punting the ball. R whistles the infraction. Which do you award as a restart? Direct or indirect and why? I've actually seen it both ways recently. Let's hear what you have to say.

[Nevadaref]

First merely stepping out of the penalty area is NOT an infraction. In order to infringe the Laws of the Game the GK must extend his arms outside of the plane of the penalty area while the ball is in contact with his hand(s)/arm(s).

In other words, it doesn't matter one bit where the GK's feet are. It only matters where the ball is.

Now if the GK truly does infringe the Laws by carrying the ball out of the penalty area, then the foul is handling. Handling results in a direct free kick for the opponent from the spot of the foul.

I have been told that years ago this offense by a GK resulted in an IFK, but that was long before I was a referee and it is definitely NOT the case today.

[Nevadaref]

BTW, refnrev, there should be no "lively debate" about this. There is only one clearly correct answer. Here is that answer directly from the US soccer federation. http://www.ussoccer.com/referees/refdev/faq.jsp.html From FAQ for New Referees: Q. A goalkeeper runs to the edge of the penalty box to kick the ball. When is a goalkeeper kick considered a hand ball? Is it where the ball is located when in contact with the hand or foot, where the player ends up after the kick or some other consideration? If the penalty relies on the position of the ball, does the ball have to be completely out of the box or in the box?

A. If the goalkeeper's hand and the ball are together, outside the penalty area line, then the goalkeeper has deliberately handled the ball outside the penalty area. Deliberately handling the ball outside the penalty area is an infringement by the goalkeeper that would normally be punished by a direct free kick. However, if the ball is only just over the line when kicked and the goalkeeper is clearly trying to distribute the ball for others to play, this is probably a trivial infringement, one that could be dealt with verbally-"watch your line, 'keeper"-at least on the first occasion.

[ref47]

unless he runs WAY OVER the line with ball in hand, we are playing on as this is trivial. a warning from the ar/cr might be needed. let's get the game moving. if it needs to be called because warnings are not heeded or the distance is too large to ignore - dfk.

[wardtc]

I've had that happen in several game. In fact just this weekend in a U14 B game. It is a handling violation. DFK outside the box

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by ref47

unless he runs WAY OVER the line with ball in hand, we are playing on as this is trivial. a warning from the ar/cr might be needed. let's get the game moving. if it needs to be called because warnings are not heeded or the distance is too large to ignore - dfk.

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Trivial? After being warned twice and doing it a 3rd time? I don't think so.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by refnrev

After being warned twice and doing it a 3rd time?

Where was that information previously written?

[CTRef]

Originally Posted by refnrev

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Trivial? After being warned twice and doing it a 3rd time? I don't think so.

It's hard to tell from the original post if the warnings were justified, since "stepping over the line" is not illegal under the LOTG. It is possible for a GK to be 2 yards over the line when he kicks the ball without violating any rule whatsoever.

In any event, the violation needs to be fairly flagrant before it should be called.

[refnrev]

[QUOTE=Nevadaref]BTW, refnrev, there should be no "lively debate" about this. There is only one clearly correct answer. Here is that answer directly from the US soccer federation.
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Should there be lively debate? Probably not? Is there? Eervy time. Some mistake the penalty for handing in the box with that for handling outside. Some guys swear there was an old rule that called for an indirect years ago and have not made the switch in their minds. Some will be right. Others will be wrong, but there will be a debate.