70 yard field goal ?

tnroundballref · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 08:01am

I had a team attempt a 70 yard field goal last week. They had two botched punts earlier in the game and I guess the coach decided "What the heck....why not?" My question to the group is this : Where do the back judge and Line Judge line up at for this play? I had watched the kicker in warm-ups and had a pretty good idea that he couldn't boot one from that distance. The kick ended up going about 35 yards where R picked the ball up and advanced it 10 yards before being tackled by K. I (BJ) got into normal punt depth to make sure we had appropriate coverage....however, several officals in my association felt that we (BJ & LJ) should have been under the uprights to tell if the attempt was good. My argument against that is who is going to cover the return man, PSK, etc ? Thoughts and comments are welcomed.

kenref1 · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 08:04am

On our crew, we would have just sent the back judge back.

BktBallRef · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 09:27am

A 70 yard FG has never been kicked in the NFL, much less high school. There's no reason for anybody to be under the goal posts.

Warrenkicker · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 09:54am

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A 70 yard FG has never been kicked in the NFL, much less high school. There's no reason for anybody to be under the goal posts.

Well you are right. The record for NFL is 63 yards. The record for NCAA is 65 yards without a tee and 67 yards with a tee. The record for high school is 68 yards.

The BJ should be in position to rule on the GL but also able to rule on the goal posts just in case. I am surprised that it is not done more in high school because if it is no good it is just like a punt and can be downed at the one by K. NCAA and NFL put it back at the point of the snap or point of the kick. I was a kicker in high school and college and looking back I could have easily gotten 40 to 50 yards on a kick from a hold but our punter was lucky to get 35 yards.

James Neil · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 10:08am

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Well you are right. The record for NFL is 63 yards. The record for NCAA is 65 yards without a tee and 67 yards with a tee. The record for high school is 68 yards.

[/B][/QUOTE]Interesting that both the H.S and collage records for field goals are longer then the pros. But seeing as how the pros play on a much bigger field I guess that's to be expected

JugglingReferee · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 10:15am

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A 70 yard FG has never been kicked in the NFL, much less high school. There's no reason for anybody to be under the goal posts.

Well you are right. The record for NFL is 63 yards. The record for NCAA is 65 yards without a tee and 67 yards with a tee. The record for high school is 68 yards.

Aren't these numbers also the progression of the number of home runs hit in a single season lately? That being said, perhaps a 70 yard FG is possible?

Ed Hickland · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 11:21am

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A 70 yard FG has never been kicked in the NFL, much less high school. There's no reason for anybody to be under the goal posts.

Well you are right. The record for NFL is 63 yards. The record for NCAA is 65 yards without a tee and 67 yards with a tee. The record for high school is 68 yards.

Aren't these numbers also the progression of the number of home runs hit in a single season lately? That being said, perhaps a 70 yard FG is possible?

Might not look good if the player suddenly got an adrenlaine rush and it barely made or missed it. And, no official was there to adquately witness the record.

Forksref · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 11:45am

I'd send the BJ to the goal posts to rule on if it crossed the bar. The LJ could be close to the return man to cover him and for end of kick bean bagging and also rule on whether the ball passed between the uprights.

Are those home run records with or without steroids?

(A Roger Maris fan.)

BktBallRef · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 01:53pm

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I am surprised that it is not done more in high school because if it is no good it is just like a punt and can be downed at the one by K.

FGA are more easily blocked than punts.

Also, with regards to the NFL, the ball comes back to the previous spot if it's missed, doesn't it?

Warrenkicker · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 02:17pm

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Also, with regards to the NFL, the ball comes back to the previous spot if it's missed, doesn't it? [/B]

No. That was changed a few years ago so after a miss where the spot of the kick was outside of the 20 the ball is placed at the spot of the kick. Inside the 20 goes to the 20.

ABoselli · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 04:24pm

College and HS uprights have been wider for a long time, too. College and NFL are now equal but the HS is still 23'4".

So a 70 yard attempt is from the K40, right? If he hasn't reached the EZ on kickoffs, no reason to think he's gonna put one through the end zone with a shorter runup and a rush.

Easier to fake out of a FG formation than a punt, too.

Ed Hickland · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 06:40pm

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College and HS uprights have been wider for a long time, too. College and NFL are now equal but the HS is still 23'4".

So a 70 yard attempt is from the K40, right? If he hasn't reached the EZ on kickoffs, no reason to think he's gonna put one through the end zone with a shorter runup and a rush.

Easier to fake out of a FG formation than a punt, too.

I never take anything for granted, especially, after this game. I was line judge on a 4-man crew when the referee signaled for me to go under for a field goal. Ball was at B's 40 and I'm thinking...not gonna happen. There was no wind, so why bother.

Snap goes and here it comes. My God! It sails over the goal post with 10-yards to spare. A New York State record at the time -- 57 yards.

Kicker never comes close the rest of the game. The record is subsequently broken later in the season by another kicker.

Next season, same team, only this time LOS is B's 45. I was ready. Sixty-two yards.

Problem was the kicker was erratic. Great distance but not always accurate. But not erratic enough to keep him from kicking a 90-yard punt in college and something like 10 years in the NFL, now punting for the Carolina Panthers.

JugglingReferee · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 10:28pm

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Problem was the kicker was erratic. Great distance but not always accurate. But not erratic enough to keep him from kicking a 90-yard punt in college and something like 10 years in the NFL, now punting for the Carolina Panthers. [/B]

...And now you know... the rest of the story.

BktBallRef · #14 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 03, 2003, 10:35pm

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Also, with regards to the NFL, the ball comes back to the previous spot if it's missed, doesn't it?

No. That was changed a few years ago so after a miss where the spot of the kick was outside of the 20 the ball is placed at the spot of the kick. Inside the 20 goes to the 20. [/B]

Actually, that's what I meant but the NF terminology kicked in. Thanks.

JimNayzium · #15 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 04, 2003, 07:32pm

I tried a seventy yard fg in high school and had two refs on either goal posts...course i had made a fifty seven and a sixty one yarder already....ball hit the cross bar...

seems like that should break hte sixty eight yard record since it actually hit the cross bar...haha...

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