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AremRed Sun Dec 29, 2013 05:48pm

Packers-Bears fumble
 
Video request. 3:35 in 2nd quarter.

JRutledge Sun Dec 29, 2013 05:49pm

I do not need video. It was a great job by the officials. ;)

Peace

AremRed Sun Dec 29, 2013 06:12pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 916203)
I do not need video. It was a great job by the officials. ;)

If the play is still live, why did the official on the far sideline step several yards onto the field?

JRutledge Sun Dec 29, 2013 06:18pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 916206)
If the play is still live, why did the official on the far sideline step several yards onto the field?

Probably waiting to see if anyone had anything different.

I don't know, maybe you can ask him when you get the chance.

Peace

AremRed Sun Dec 29, 2013 07:20pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 916208)
I don't know, maybe you can ask him when you get the chance.

Why JRut, everyone knows asking you is the next best thing! :)

JRutledge Sun Dec 29, 2013 08:19pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 916211)
Why JRut, everyone knows asking you is the next best thing! :)

I do not know what everyone wants and really do not care, but I know that in order for any of us to know why someone did something, we would likely have to talk to them personally. But that does not expect you thinking you will get an answer outside of an opinion.

Peace

bob jenkins Sun Dec 29, 2013 08:26pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 916206)
If the play is still live, why did the official on the far sideline step several yards onto the field?

Everytime an official makes a mis-step, the play is dead? Wow -- we'd never finish my games. ;)

InsideTheStripe Sun Dec 29, 2013 08:34pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 916202)
Video request. 3:35 in 2nd quarter.

Sorry. I wasn't recording the game and couldn't rewind that far. I'm sure you'll see it all over the "highlight" shows. On second thought, deadspin may have it:

Packers Score Bizarre Touchdown On Play Everybody Thought Was Dead

AremRed Sun Dec 29, 2013 08:38pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 916231)
Everytime an official makes a mis-step, the play is dead? Wow -- we'd never finish my games. ;)

Certainly not! I don't do football so I honestly didn't know if the official made a mistake or not. I came here to find out. Is this "mis-step" something that might result in a downgrade?

JRutledge Sun Dec 29, 2013 08:41pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 916237)
Certainly not! I don't do football so I honestly didn't know if the official made a mistake or not. I came here to find out. Is this "misstep" something that might result in a downgrade?

He might have, but that mistake had nothing to do with the play continuing or being dead. I would not even be totally surprised if the officials gets a downgrade for that play because of his movement. Part of the evaluation process is on plays has to do with mechanics and positioning. If the whistle was not blown, the play continues it is that simple.

Peace

ajmc Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:06pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 916206)
If the play is still live, why did the official on the far sideline step several yards onto the field?

Are you suggesting there is something inherently wrong with, or there is some specific conclusion to be made by, "the official on the far sideline stepping onto the field"?

Since you acknowledge, "I don't do football so I honestly didn't know if the official made a mistake or not" wouldn't it seem somewhat more reasonable to consider the responses from people who do work football that doing so does not point to any specific conclusion?

It seems logical, that official was appropriately pre-occupied with his responsibilities in his coverage area, and may simply have been seeking clarification of what was happening in the area of responsibility where the ball was loose. Apparently none of the 7 whistles on the field sounded, which would have signaled a play stoppage, so all of the field officials were focusing on whether such a signal would be coming.

In the absence of any official signalling that play had ended, play is understood to be continuing.

AremRed Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:15pm

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Originally Posted by ajmc (Post 916246)
wouldn't it seem somewhat more reasonable to consider the responses from people who do work football that doing so does not point to any specific conclusion?

That's exactly what I'm doing here, I am asking questions of those more knowledgeable than I. Don't treat me like I'm hbk314.

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Originally Posted by ajmc (Post 916246)
Are you suggesting there is something inherently wrong with, or there is some specific conclusion to be made by, "the official on the far sideline stepping onto the field"?

I have not suggested anything. But since you ask, I do have a question:

Is it possible that the sideline official stepping on the field may have led the Bears to believe the play was over?

Adam Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:49pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 916249)
That's exactly what I'm doing here, I am asking questions of those more knowledgeable than I. Don't treat me like I'm hbk314.



I have not suggested anything. But since you ask, I do have a question:

Is it possible that the sideline official stepping on the field may have led the Bears to believe the play was over?

Not at that level.

jTheUmp Tue Dec 31, 2013 02:58pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 916249)
Is it possible that the sideline official stepping on the field may have led the Bears to believe the play was over?

If it did, shame on the Bears players. And I say this as a Bears fan who watched the play and spent those few seconds yelling at my TV.

hbk314 Tue Dec 31, 2013 03:29pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 916430)
If it did, shame on the Bears players. And I say this as a Bears fan who watched the play and spent those few seconds yelling at my TV.

How's being a Bears fan in Minneapolis go over? lol


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