Carolina vs New England last play

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I think you know this is baloney. A player being fouled (held in this case) does not need to struggle to get away to prove to the official a disadvantage is occurring. In every sport there are fouls that are illegal in and of themselves, even if we do not see a disadvantage.

In the Gronk play he was being fouled. If the ball had not been intercepted, that foul would have been called. The official obviously thought there was a potential disadvantage at play here....otherwise he would not have thrown the flag.

You clearly don't work football. One of the indicators of holding is material restriction. If I grab onto your jersey, but you don't pull away from me showing clear, material restriction, it's simply not holding.

You know, that philosophy thing again.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by Rich

You clearly don't work football. One of the indicators of holding is material restriction. If I grab onto your jersey, but you don't pull away from me showing clear, material restriction, it's simply not holding.

You know, that philosophy thing again.

Did you have restriction on this play?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by hbk314

Did you have restriction on this play?

Holding is not on the table since a pass was in the air. It's DPI or it's NOTHING.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Holding is not on the table since a pass was in the air. It's DPI or it's NOTHING.

The question is, without the interception, would you have called DPI?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

The question is, without the interception, would you have called DPI?

I don't think an interception is required. That second defender could've dropped that pass and I would've passed, as well.

Without that defender in front? No brainer DPI. The BJ's flag was proper absent the second defender in the way.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by Rich

I don't think an interception is required. That second defender could've dropped that pass and I would've passed, as well.

Without that defender in front? No brainer DPI. The BJ's flag was proper absent the second defender in the way.

Thank you for answering. I know it's DPI or nothing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

I don't think an interception is required. That second defender could've dropped that pass and I would've passed, as well.

Without that defender in front? No brainer DPI. The BJ's flag was proper absent the second defender in the way.

Sorry, you're right. The direction was "intercepted or knocked down". Presumably, if the ball had been tipped into the air back towards Gronk and company, the DPI would have stood.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

Sorry, you're right. The direction was "intercepted or knocked down". Presumably, if the ball had been tipped into the air back towards Gronk and company, the DPI would have stood.

No, I don't think so.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

You clearly don't work football. One of the indicators of holding is material restriction. If I grab onto your jersey, but you don't pull away from me showing clear, material restriction, it's simply not holding.

You know, that philosophy thing again.

Honestly, this concept applies to virtually all contact sports. Without advantage, contact is rarely a foul (basketball, football, soccer, chess).

Note, I think the advantage in the contact on Gronk was obvious, and would have been DPI had the pass not been intercepted.