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Originally Posted by SamG (Post 908825)

If that's not how you meant to come across, I apologize, that's the way your read to me.

I didn't mean to come across as condescending. I was trying the "give a liittle hint and let the questioner think" type of instruction. I quoted "passing play" to draw attention to it and make the connection to loose ball play.

Now, I know this board has a reputation of being gruff and sometimes condescending. So I'm not surprised you may have read my post as such. But that was not my goal.

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Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 908828)

Here ya go:

ART. 1 . . . A loose-ball play is action during:

a. A free kick or scrimmage kick other than post-scrimmage kick fouls.

b. A legal forward pass.

c. A backward pass (including the snap), an illegal kick or fumble made by A from in or behind the neutral zone prior to a change of team possession.

d. The run or runs which precedes such legal or illegal kick, legal forward pass, backward pass or fumble.

ART. 2 . . . A running play is any action not included in Article 1, including the related run as in 2-41-9a.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Suudy (Post 908831)

I apologize for the misunderstanding. I actually like thinking through problems, I just need some basis for the knowledge needed (I hope that makes sense). :p

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Originally Posted by whitehat (Post 908799)

For many years this is one of those I wish the NF would change to match the college rule. Seems very unfair the way it is currently written, but we don't write them we just enforce them:mad:.

Allow me to suggest a reason why NFHS may has continued their perspective. Of course this in ony my personal speculation. Keep in mind, that a basic purpose of establishing penalties is to discourage certain behaviors.

A-1 drops back to pass, and is rushed. To avoid the defensive charge, A-1 retreats well beyond 10 yards behind the previous spot, and is in danger of being tackled for a significant loss. A-2 realizing the perdicament, and the danger of a significant loss of yardage decides to protect A-1 by whatever means necessary, which includes clearly holding B-1, now more than 20 yards behind the previous spot.

A-2, being a student of the game, considers; under the NCAA rules code, I might as well hold on to B-1 because if that's undetected I may save us from a significant loss of yardage, if A-1 gets a pass off and even if I'm caught holding, the damage will be limited to 10 yards behind the previous spot (which will actually regain back more than half of the actual yardage we'd otherwise lose).

If we're playing under NFHS rules, I better kick in up a full gear and make a proper block, or getting caught holding will take us all the way back 10 yards from the actual scene of my crime.

Or maybe it's just that more NFHS Rule Makers were defensive linemen in their younger days.