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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CT1

Then most Referees that you know (including you) are going against the rules, and asking for trouble that can be easily avoided.

Most Referees that I know (including me) give options unless the choice is blatantly obvious.

What rule does is say we must ask no matter what? And do you ask every time we have a false start or other dead ball fouls? I know many that think crews are crazy to even ask in those situations. Now maybe there is a standard you want to use and I am fine with that, but not much to ask here IMO and not something I really care if you ask or not ask. Actually I think some are making a bigger deal out of the options.

Also saying something is "blatantly obvious" is very subjective, it always will be by definition. And getting the ball at the 35 on your side of the field is not something I see many coaches wanting to do. And when I see a coach get upset over this, it will be a first.

If we are going to replay 4th and 1 or 4 and 5 I have no problem with asking R. But if we are replaying 4th and 20 or 4th and 25, different story.

Peace

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Blatantly Obvious.....

Tie game 15 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter.
A's ball 4th and goal form B's 20 yard line.

While the ball is in the air on a forward pass, A81 commits offensive pass interference by pushing B34 to the ground in the end zone. After the push, A81 leaps to catch the ball, however, A81 does not maintain possession and drops the ball for an incomplete pass. The BJ, who threw the flag for the OPI informs the R of the foul and the result of the play which was an incomplete pass.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What rule does is say we must ask no matter what?

10-1-1.

And do you ask every time we have a false start or other dead ball fouls?

Not if there's no option.

Also saying something is "blatantly obvious" is very subjective, it always will be by definition.

Then you should ask on EVERY foul where there's an option, shouldn't you?

Just admit you misspoke & let's move on.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CT1

10-1-1.


Not if there's no option.


Then you should ask on EVERY foul where there's an option, shouldn't you?

Just admit you misspoke & let's move on.

I do not ask on fouls where there is an option and the option is obvious.

PLAY:A 1/10, A20. Run by A goes to the A33 yard line. Holding foul by A66 at the A22. You actually get a captain and present the options on that?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I do not ask on fouls where there is an option and the option is obvious.

PLAY:A 1/10, A20. Run by A goes to the A33 yard line. Holding foul by A66 at the A22. You actually get a captain and present the options on that?

I actually know officials that feel you should. So I would not be surprised if he is in that camp. And you know what, if that works for him I would not have a problem with it, even if I was working with him. Again, not a big deal if you ask me. If that makes him sleep at night, then so be it.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I actually know officials that feel you should. So I would not be surprised if he is in that camp. And you know what, if that works for him I would not have a problem with it, even if I was working with him. Again, not a big deal if you ask me. If that makes him sleep at night, then so be it.

Peace

I think it hurts the crew, myself. Giving an option on something like that, IMO, shows that the referee (and by extension the crew) has no common sense and/or feel for the game.

Far different than the play in the OP. I'm just trying to figure out where the line is with him, is all. I know where yours is -- I disagree with it, but so what?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I think it hurts the crew, myself. Giving an option on something like that, IMO, shows that the referee (and by extension the crew) has no common sense and/or feel for the game.

Far different than the play in the OP. I'm just trying to figure out where the line is with him, is all. I know where yours is -- I disagree with it, but so what?

+100000000000

Peace

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm just trying to figure out where the line is with him, is all.

Simple -- I don't ask on obvious choices. If there's any question, as in the OP, I ask.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Rich

I do not ask on fouls where there is an option and the option is obvious.

PLAY:A 1/10, A20. Run by A goes to the A33 yard line. Holding foul by A66 at the A22. You actually get a captain and present the options on that?

No, and you quoted out of context.

Rut's contention was: "Also saying something is 'blatantly obvious' is very subjective, it always will be by definition."

If it is indeed "very subjective" (which I disagree with), then you should present options on every choice, which I also disagree with.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CT1

No, and you quoted out of context.

Rut's contention was: "Also saying something is 'blatantly obvious' is very subjective, it always will be by definition."

If it is indeed "very subjective" (which I disagree with), then you should present options on every choice, which I also disagree with.

Well considering that you and I do not agree on this situation and your quote of the rule caused an issue with someone else, these things are clearly are not seen in the same light. So I stand by my contention that this is very subjective and changes based on who is involved or is looking at the circumstances. If it was objective, then there would not be at all a debate.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CT1

No, and you quoted out of context.

Rut's contention was: "Also saying something is 'blatantly obvious' is very subjective, it always will be by definition."

If it is indeed "very subjective" (which I disagree with), then you should present options on every choice, which I also disagree with.

The mere fact that there are plays (including this one) where one quality official finds it obvious, and another quality official doesn't, makes this, by definition, VERY SUBJECTIVE.